THey can be 10% over, but I think they need to be cap compliant once the season begins.
- PhillySportsGuy

OPTION 1: Build the injured player into their opening-day roster and have that roster fit as close to the upper limit as possible without exceeding it, then place the player on LTIR.

OPTION 2: Put the injured player on LTIR on the final day of training camp and, including the injured player’s annual average salary or cap hit, build a roster that exceeds the upper limit by an amount that is as close as possible to the injured player's annual average salary.

The flyers can put Pronger on LTIR on the last day of training camp in order to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season.

Edit: Here's the link for this information.
http://www.capgeek.com/fa...injured-reserve-LTIR-work

He should tell them to sit and spin.
- wolfhounds

just like hedman.

quick puck movement, hard accurate point shots, and pp's win games. see: lés habitants, muntréal et subban, pk.

the flyers could learn something from watching that. instead, they win faceoffs and the d wait 45 years for everyone to block every available lane and then lose possession.

OPTION 1: Build the injured player into their opening-day roster and have that roster fit as close to the upper limit as possible without exceeding it, then place the player on LTIR.

OPTION 2: Put the injured player on LTIR on the final day of training camp and, including the injured player’s annual average salary or cap hit, build a roster that exceeds the upper limit by an amount that is as close as possible to the injured player's annual average salary.

The flyers can put Pronger on LTIR on the last day of training camp in order to be cap compliant on day 1 of the season.

Edit: Here's the link for this information.
http://www.capgeek.com/fa...injured-reserve-LTIR-work
- FlyersSteve118

Yeah but I'm pretty sure that screws with how the flyers can use the LTIR for the rest of the season. Its not something they want to or should do.

THey can be 10% over, but I think they need to be cap compliant once the season begins.
- PhillySportsGuy

They technically could start day 1 at Cap-max + Pronger, but that would literally leave them with no cap room to bring in injury replacements.

Personally, I'm not expecting them to solve all their problems this summer. This team is still young and probably isn't ready to go full out for the prize just yet.

I'd feel a lot more settled if they just added an affordable mobile/puck-movers (Gilbert, Diaz, etc) and a bargain top-9 forward versus having to do more salary-cap jiu jitsu to fit in another Bryzgalov-esque UFA savior, or mortgage the future with another premature Pronger trade.

Cap is likely to be around $69M

If you get a team to take VL and Grossmann without covering any of the salary (Good luck), it will leave you with $56.5M committed to next year. That leaves $12.5M.

Schenn will be 2.5M
Gus will be $1M
Backup goalie $1M
Laughton will be $1M
Akeson will be $1M

That leaves you $6M

You cannot use Pronger's LTIR in the offseason. The Flyers must be cap compliant on the first day of the season. They will be able to "assign Laughton to the Phantoms" which will allow the team to be $1M over the cap if necessary.

Essentially, you have $7M to find a top line winger and top 4 defenseman. Under your scenario, they would have 5 defenseman signed for next season (Including Gus) and 12 forwards (Including Rosehill).
- PhillySportsGuy

Could be worse; they have enough money to be creative, which isn't always the case.

They technically could start day 1 at Cap-max + Pronger, but that would literally leave them with no cap room to bring in injury replacements.

Personally, I'm not expecting them to solve all their problems this summer. This team is still young and probably isn't ready to go full out for the prize just yet.

I'd feel a lot more settled if they just added an affordable mobile/puck-movers (Gilbert, Diaz, etc) and a bargain top-9 forward versus having to do more salary-cap jiu jitsu to fit in another Bryzgalov-esque UFA savior, or mortgage the future with another premature Pronger trade.
- Tomahawk

how many more years are we stuck with this (frank)ing pronger situation?

They technically could start day 1 at Cap-max + Pronger, but that would literally leave them with no cap room to bring in injury replacements.

Personally, I'm not expecting them to solve all their problems this summer. This team is still young and probably isn't ready to go full out for the prize just yet.

I'd feel a lot more settled if they just added an affordable mobile/puck-movers (Gilbert, Diaz, etc) and a bargain top-9 forward versus having to do more salary-cap jiu jitsu to fit in another Bryzgalov-esque UFA savior, or mortgage the future with another premature Pronger trade.
- Tomahawk

I agree with this, but its really wishful thinking. They will be in on Vanek and Niskanen.

how many more years are we stuck with this (frank)ing pronger situation?
- hammarby31

Three including this offseason.

how many more years are we stuck with this (frank)ing pronger situation?
- hammarby31

In the season of 17-18 it will be gone.

Edit: 3 more seasons.

They technically could start day 1 at Cap-max + Pronger, but that would literally leave them with no cap room to bring in injury replacements.
- Tomahawk

It wouldn't be no room. They would bring up a couple of AHL guys then demote them the way Detroit and Pittsburgh did this season. At which point they would have roughly $1.5 million in cap space to use.

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The Detroit Red Wings followed Option 2. The upper limit was $64.3M and the Red Wings’ Averaged Club Salary or cap payroll on the final day of training camp was $66,137,878, including two injured players, Darren Helm ($2.125M cap hit) and Patrick Eaves ($1.2M cap hit), with an aggregate Averaged Amount of $3.325M.

Rather than simply place Helm and Eaves on LTIR, a move that would have left them with no cap space and a new upper limit of $66,137,878, they recalled Jordan Coreau ($792.5K) and Xavier Ouellet ($670K), two players with an aggregate Averaged Amount totalling $1,462,500. That increased their Averaged Club Salary to $67,600,378 — $3,300,378 above the upper limit or almost exactly the $3.325M aggregate of Helm and Eaves. Only then did they place Helm and Eaves on LTIR, leaving the Red Wings with an upper limit to $67,600,378 for the duration of the LTIR designations.

The Red Wings demoted Coreau and Ouellet the next day, bringing their Averaged Club Salary back down to $66,137,878, while leaving them with the flexibility to add $1,462,500 in Averaged Amounts, space created by the one-day recall of Coreau and Ouellet.

They technically could start day 1 at Cap-max + Pronger, but that would literally leave them with no cap room to bring in injury replacements.

Personally, I'm not expecting them to solve all their problems this summer. This team is still young and probably isn't ready to go full out for the prize just yet.

I'd feel a lot more settled if they just added an affordable mobile/puck-movers (Gilbert, Diaz, etc) and a bargain top-9 forward versus having to do more salary-cap jiu jitsu to fit in another Bryzgalov-esque UFA savior, or mortgage the future with another premature Pronger trade.
- Tomahawk

Really, we all know it comes down to two things that are inextricably linked: What do you do with Vinny and Baby Schenn.

You can't have a fourth-line center who makes the money Vinny does. That simply isn't feasible. And Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds is a disaster. Schenn getting older, more mature, isn't going to change that.

Once this situation is resolved -- and it will have to be -- then we'll have a clearer picture about just how much money they'll have to spend on the roster.

I saw a blog that said Ehrhoff could be traded. Think they are just trying to get another 1st rounder for him? Or would he require an established player?

I was thinking a first, second, and hagg for Ehrhoff.

With his 4mil hit, that would leave us around 7-8ml for Vanek (in my scenario of trading Vinny and Grossmann).

That would be even better. Vanek - Giroux - Voracek

Really, we all know it comes down to two things that are inextricably linked: What do you do with Vinny and Baby Schenn.

You can't have a fourth-line center who makes the money Vinny does. That simply isn't feasible. And Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds is a disaster. Schenn getting older, more mature, isn't going to change that.

Once this situation is resolved -- and it will have to be -- then we'll have a clearer picture about just how much money they'll have to spend on the roster.
- AllInForFlyers

There's honestly not much point worrying about the cap situation or the roster till we know which one of BSchenn or Vinny is getting moved.

I really hope Ghost is the real deal. i know everyone wants him to play in the AHL a season but if he can play then he can provide something this teams defense has really never had.
- J35Bacher

Gostisbehre and Krug are virtual clones coming out of college.


Krug got in a couple NHL games right out of college in the spring of 2012. Krug really didnt get a look by the Bruins out of the lockout because he was hampered by high ankle injury, and with the Bruins depth they didn't need to roster him. Of course Krug came up due to injury in the playoffs and started lighting it up.

Krug totalled 40 pts this year, and has 6 pts in 6 playoff games this year.


The bottom line is I think there is a chance Gostisbehre makes the team right out of the gate. I would be pretty shocked if he even spent half a season in the AHL. The coaching staff at Union focused with him completely in the defensive zone this year. He is not so raw, IMO.

Really, we all know it comes down to two things that are inextricably linked: What do you do with Vinny and Baby Schenn.

You can't have a fourth-line center who makes the money Vinny does. That simply isn't feasible. And Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds is a disaster. Schenn getting older, more mature, isn't going to change that.

Once this situation is resolved -- and it will have to be -- then we'll have a clearer picture about just how much money they'll have to spend on the roster.
- AllInForFlyers

They have to address this. If both Vinny and B. Schenn are here next season, I will be amazed.

I believe Vinny stays and B. Schenn is moved to aquire either top winger or defenseman.

There's honestly not much point worrying about the cap situation or the roster till we know which one of BSchenn or Vinny is getting moved.
- Feanor

That's where I am -- I simply believe one of them's gonna get moved. I don't see how you go into the offseason with that scenario intact.

I don't know how they'll do it, I don't know who they'll choose. But I do believe one of them is done like dinner in Philadelphia.

Vinny should go to Dallas. They need a 2C, and he needs to play 2C.

Gostisbehre and Krug are virtual clones coming out of college.


Krug got in a couple NHL games right out of college in the spring of 2012. Krug really didnt get a look by the Bruins out of the lockout because he was hampered by high ankle injury, and with the Bruins depth they didn't need to roster him. Of course Krug came up due to injury in the playoffs and started lighting it up.

Krug totalled 40 pts this year, and has 6 pts in 6 playoff games this year.


The bottom line is I think there is a chance Gostisbehre makes the team right out of the gate. I would be pretty shocked if he even spent half a season in the AHL. The coaching staff at Union focused with him completely in the defensive zone this year. He is not so raw, IMO.
- Just5

I think from watching a few of his games that he has the maturity and hockey sense to become a very solid defensive player as well as the obvious offensive skills he already possesses. Now that he is in the Flyers fold they will focus in on getting him physically ready to handle it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him with ten pounds of extra muscle by the time camp rolls around.

The one thing I do know is that his compete level seems to be through the roof. Not gonna have to worry about that aspect of his game.

Gostisbehre and Krug are virtual clones coming out of college.


Krug got in a couple NHL games right out of college in the spring of 2012. Krug really didnt get a look by the Bruins out of the lockout because he was hampered by high ankle injury, and with the Bruins depth they didn't need to roster him. Of course Krug came up due to injury in the playoffs and started lighting it up.

Krug totalled 40 pts this year, and has 6 pts in 6 playoff games this year.


The bottom line is I think there is a chance Gostisbehre makes the team right out of the gate. I would be pretty shocked if he even spent half a season in the AHL. The coaching staff at Union focused with him completely in the defensive zone this year. He is not so raw, IMO.
- Just5

The major exception being that Krug went to a stacked Boston team, which plays the best two-way hockey of any team in the league.

It wouldn't be no room. They would bring up a couple of AHL guys then demote them the way Detroit and Pittsburgh did this season. At which point they would have roughly $1.5 million in cap space to use.

-----------------

The Detroit Red Wings followed Option 2. The upper limit was $64.3M and the Red Wings’ Averaged Club Salary or cap payroll on the final day of training camp was $66,137,878, including two injured players, Darren Helm ($2.125M cap hit) and Patrick Eaves ($1.2M cap hit), with an aggregate Averaged Amount of $3.325M.

Rather than simply place Helm and Eaves on LTIR, a move that would have left them with no cap space and a new upper limit of $66,137,878, they recalled Jordan Coreau ($792.5K) and Xavier Ouellet ($670K), two players with an aggregate Averaged Amount totalling $1,462,500. That increased their Averaged Club Salary to $67,600,378 — $3,300,378 above the upper limit or almost exactly the $3.325M aggregate of Helm and Eaves. Only then did they place Helm and Eaves on LTIR, leaving the Red Wings with an upper limit to $67,600,378 for the duration of the LTIR designations.

The Red Wings demoted Coreau and Ouellet the next day, bringing their Averaged Club Salary back down to $66,137,878, while leaving them with the flexibility to add $1,462,500 in Averaged Amounts, space created by the one-day recall of Coreau and Ouellet.
- Feanor

Flyers did it this year with Hall, too, IIRC.

But who would you feel comfortable floating on waivers to make it happen? Most of our kids are not waiver-exempt anymore.

Edit: nevermind, not the situation you posted.

That's where I am -- I simply believe one of them's gonna get moved. I don't see how you go into the offseason with that scenario intact.

I don't know how they'll do it, I don't know who they'll choose. But I do believe one of them is done like dinner in Philadelphia.
- AllInForFlyers

People seem to think VL and Schenn are the problem together. In reality, VL played poorly with everyone. If the team goes into next year with VL as their #2C, they will have the exact same problems they had this year.

Vinny should go to Dallas. They need a 2C, and he needs to play 2C.
- Feanor

If he's the one who goes, I think we're going to have to accept a few things:

1. The Flyers are getting nothing of value in return
2. The Flyers might have to eat a bad contract in return, or pay part of his salary
3. The Flyers might have to send a pick or prospect in order for a team to take him

That's all if he's the one who goes -- that's why it's not a slam-dunk that it will be him. The Flyers might have to try to find a way to make it work with Lecavalier, for at least one more year.

Not saying that's what I think they should or shouldn't do.

Vinny should go to Dallas. They need a 2C, and he needs to play 2C.
- Feanor

Jim Nill seems intent on following the Red Wings possession model... VL doesn't seem like a fit for that.

I think from watching a few of his games that he has the maturity and hockey sense to become a very solid defensive player as well as the obvious offensive skills he already possesses. Now that he is in the Flyers fold they will focus in on getting him physically ready to handle it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him with ten pounds of extra muscle by the time camp rolls around.

The one thing I do know is that his compete level seems to be through the roof. Not gonna have to worry about that aspect of his game.
- MBFlyerfan

That is why I think he should start with Flyers if he earns it in camp. Plus with him playing on an ELC they can use money elsewhere.

On a different note. I saw a blog about the Panthers selling the first pick. Panther want young but experienced players. Could a package of:

To Florida:
B.Schenn
L.Schenn
Read
1st 2014

To Philly:
1st 2014
Dan Ellis


Then we can draft Ekbald and really kick start the change on D

That is why I think he should start with Flyers if he earns it in camp. Plus with him playing on an ELC they can use money elsewhere.

On a different note. I saw a blog about the Panthers selling the first pick. Panther want young but experienced players. Could a package of:

To Florida:
B.Schenn
L.Schenn
Read
1st 2014

To Philly:
1st 2014
Dan Ellis


Then we can draft Ekbald and really kick start the change on D
- J35Bacher

Here it is ladies and germs. The first one of the offseason!