A lot can happen over the course of a summer that could drastically change the landscape for the team or individual players/prospects

So they moved him to the 4th line because he was making the rest of the team look bad?
- PhillySportsGuy

You asked at one point did he produce in a top-9 role. My response was literally all the time he spent in the top-9. Simple statement.

The things is detriot has guys on the nhl roster still producing so they have time to wait.
- J35Bacher

Well, the Flyers have to start somewhere. I'm sure he'll get a look in the preseason and maybe a few games to start the season, but I think he'll be best served in the A next year. And that will be beneficial to both him and the team moving forward.

You asked at one point did he produce in a top-9 role. My response was literally all the time he spent in the top-9. Simple statement.
- mochoson

So goals against don't matter?

It helps when you shoot 40%
- PhillySportsGuy

I'm all for giving him another shot. A VL that's even 50% better than this season would make a big impact on this team.

As a smaller defenseman, he needs to learn how to avoid taking big hits. The AHL will give him the opportunity to make a gradual transition.

If he goes to the NHL and hasn't learned this yet, he could get injured and delay his growth even more.

Didn't Laughton injure Ghost just last year with a big hit at practice?
- PhillySportsGuy

He crushed him, I forgot about that

Not me...I wouldn't have Ghost on the roster next year until midseason at the earliest. And he'd have to be killing it, even then.

He needs to play against men for at least 40 games but not have his mistakes be something that could cost people their jobs -- and he will make mistakes that wind up in the net, because that is just the nature of the beast
- AllInForFlyers

Yep.

How many games have you watched him play?
- PhillySportsGuy

4 or 5? I just haven't seen the case being made to keep him in the AHL for a full year. He needs to adjust to the speed of the game....ok, but with his skill set I hardly see that taking a full years worth of time.

Once this kid develops an elite fake shot to get guys down, its end of story, welcome to the show kid.

So goals against don't matter?
- PhillySportsGuy

When discussing an individual player? No, seeing as how there's 5 other team-mates on the ice that factor into a goal being scored against.

Is that all you got No I dont want to ruin him like Sbisa.

Flyers played him when he was 18 yoa.

I simply laid out the career path Krug has taken to the NHL since coming out of college as undersized but elite offense oriented blueliner.

That mess of an organization the bruins decided to throw him right into the fire in the spring of 2012 when he signed.

The lockout came and he got a bunch of AHL games in. He suffered through a high ankle sprain that hampered him, but got healthy and lit it up in the playoffs when he was called up.

I think he is further along than more people give him credit for. Counting his maturity level (from all the reports) and skill set level.
- Just5

Krug is the best case scenario... how about all the other situations where kids were thrown in too soon and took years to recover (or never recovered)?

Is it possible that Ghost could step in right away and be as terrific as Krug? Sure. But is it likely? No.

You can't dismiss the bulk of the examples and just hitch your wagon to an outlier and expect everything to turn out ok. We complain incessantly about the Flyers futility when it comes to drafting/developing dmen, and finally when it looks like we've got a good one, fans don't have the patience not to Torey Krug him right away.

I'm all for giving him another shot. A VL that's even 50% better than this season would make a big impact on this team.
- funmaster18

There really are two sides to this argument, and really, the elephant in the room is that with four years left on his deal, they just might have to make the best of it for at least one more year

I'm all for giving him another shot. A VL that's even 50% better than this season would make a big impact on this team.
- funmaster18

Common sense prevails

4 or 5? I just haven't seen the case being made to keep him in the AHL for a full year. He needs to adjust to the speed of the game....ok, but with his skill set I hardly see that taking a full years worth of time.

Once this kid develops an elite fake shot to get guys down, its end of story, welcome to the show kid.
- Just5

He'll be a Rag killer

When discussing an individual player? No, seeing as how there's 5 other team-mates on the ice that factor into a goal being scored against.
- mochoson

So only offensive production matters?

Krug is the best case scenario... how about all the other situations where kids were thrown in too soon and took years to recover (or never recovered)?
Is it possible that Ghost could step in right away and be as terrific as Krug? Sure. But is it likely? No.

You can't dismiss the bulk of the examples and just hitch your wagon to an outlier and expect everything to turn out ok. We complain incessantly about the Flyers futility when it comes to drafting/developing dmen, and finally when it looks like we've got a good one, fans don't have the patience not to Torey Krug him right away.
- Tomahawk

then name some. Maybe they didn't survive because they were overvalued or just not good enough.

So only offensive production matters?
- PhillySportsGuy

/you are wasting your time

I'm willing to bet most of the people in here harping on VL were doing the same thing after Briere's first season here.

But after no time at all, most of us became infatuated with how "clutch" he was in the playoffs.

Not necessarily the same situation at all. But were talking about a former 100 point player who was bounced all around the line-up, dealt with injuries, was adjusting to new surroundings and, according to Berube, was "out of shape" to some degree (which could be entirely attributed to injuries).

Bottom line: the guy deserves another year to earn his bread. Not rocket science.

There really are two sides to this argument, and really, the elephant in the room is that with four years left on his deal, they just might have to make the best of it for at least one more year
- AllInForFlyers

There were too many factors this year for me to write him off as "useless". If go so far as he could be an impact player next year. He could also fall flat on his face. I just think with all the changes and what he went through it had to impact him.

Look at Jagr with us. Looked like he was slowing down towards the end and a few years later he's still playing and playing well. I think he had a lot of adjustments to make and he made them and look he's got another contract.

VL is not Jagr, but I think VL can bounce back.

4 or 5? I just haven't seen the case being made to keep him in the AHL for a full year. He needs to adjust to the speed of the game....ok, but with his skill set I hardly see that taking a full years worth of time.

Once this kid develops an elite fake shot to get guys down, its end of story, welcome to the show kid.
- Just5

Most people aren't saying he HAS to spend an entire year in the AHL. I think most of us are saying he should start there and play for a little while before getting consideration for a call-up. Remember, he hasn't played a full, professional season in his life. He played college hockey. He's not used to playing 4 games in a week or on back to back nights.

/you are wasting your time
- FlyersSteve118

I know. Im stopping

So only offensive production matters?
- PhillySportsGuy

I never said "defensive production" didn't matter

I know. Im stopping
- PhillySportsGuy

Please do

I'm all for giving him another shot. A VL that's even 50% better than this season would make a big impact on this team.
- funmaster18

So am I, especially if they do end up trading B Schenn as a part of a package to get some D help. I would like to see what a " healthy" Vinny can bring at the start of next year.

then name some. Maybe they didn't survive because they were overvalued or just not good enough.
- J35Bacher

Why are you so against taking the safe option? You want the potentially career threatening scenario? There are hundreds of cases where the develop of player was set back due to being forced to play in the nhl too early.

Krug is the best case scenario... how about all the other situations where kids were thrown in too soon and took years to recover (or never recovered)?

Is it possible that Ghost could step in right away and be as terrific as Krug? Sure. But is it likely? No.

You can't dismiss the bulk of the examples and just hitch your wagon to an outlier and expect everything to turn out ok. We complain incessantly about the Flyers futility when it comes to drafting/developing dmen, and finally when it looks like we've got a good one, fans don't have the patience not to Torey Krug him right away.
- Tomahawk

I think a guy like Pitkanen is an excellent example of having no patience.

I can't wait for Ghost to struggle a little and everyone say "We need to trade him while he still has value!"