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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:17 PM ET
3rd year down....3 more to go
- Giroux_Is_God


Until you become Bill GiG Nye?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 3 @ 1:19 PM ET
These analogies are stupid. The only point I want to get across is that Akeson should be given a legitimate opportunity to make the Flyers next season. I would almost pencil him into the top 9 right now and see how he does to start next season
- PhillySportsGuy


Akeson played well in the playoffs. Small sample size, but 7 games against a good Rangers team he didn't look out of place at all. If he was given a look earlier, there wouldn't have been any need to trade for Downie.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:19 PM ET
Couturier was pointless, playing pretty poorly, and now we found out he had a sports hernia... Read also didn't have the strongest series, either, as Bill alluded to in his blog.

Neither guy was driving anything. Akeson was making that line go.

- Tomahawk


I wonder if Berube overplayed those guys this year. They logged a lot of tough Minutes against top lines and on the PK. It would be nice for the second line to step up and take on a little of the even strength burden next season
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:20 PM ET
Couturier was pointless, playing pretty poorly, and now we found out he had a sports hernia... Read also didn't have the strongest series, either, as Bill alluded to in his blog.

Neither guy was driving anything. Akeson was making that line go.

- Tomahawk


No he wasn't. Couturier and Read had their moments but also played well at times. Akeson's shifts were hand picked at times, and was kept off the ice for a lot of key shifts. Akeson contributed with points, and did about all you can ask for a player in his situation. But he wasn't making anything go.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:22 PM ET
These analogies are stupid. The only point I want to get across is that Akeson should be given a legitimate opportunity to make the Flyers next season. I would almost pencil him into the top 9 right now and see how he does to start next season
- PhillySportsGuy



I agree, he should get a look. Although I wouldn't pencil him in.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:23 PM ET
Akeson played well in the playoffs. Small sample size, but 7 games against a good Rangers team he didn't look out of place at all. If he was given a look earlier, there wouldn't have been any need to trade for Downie.
- PLindbergh31


Don't know that, nobody does. Can possibly know how Akeson would have fared over a longer stretch of games, from when Downie was dealt for in late October.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:24 PM ET
These analogies are stupid. The only point I want to get across is that Akeson should be given a legitimate opportunity to make the Flyers next season. I would almost pencil him into the top 9 right now and see how he does to start next season
- PhillySportsGuy

I'd like to see that line stay together next season. It seems like a good fit. I guess we'll see, though.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:24 PM ET
Edler for Brayden Schenn?
- LeftCoaster


Only if you include the 6th overall pick.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

May 3 @ 1:25 PM ET
Wayne Simmonds

* “I think we’ve just got to work better together as a five man unit. We’ve got to make sure we have better spacing, we’ve got more support on the puck"

All the speed in the world will not compensate for this.

Too many times they were caught with gaps between the forwards & D, of course, when the opposition is clogging the neutral zone it becomes more of an issue.



Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
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Joined: 02.04.2009

May 3 @ 1:26 PM ET
No he wasn't. Couturier and Read had their moments but also played well at times. Akeson's shifts were hand picked at times, and was kept off the ice for a lot of key shifts. Akeson contributed with points, and did about all you can ask for a player in his situation. But he wasn't making anything go.
- MJL



Hey, I think the kid is awesome, you have a different opinion.

Let's just leave it at that.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
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May 3 @ 1:26 PM ET
Only if you include the 6th overall pick.
- ob18



Man, did Edler look like hot trash this year.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:27 PM ET
Akeson played well in the playoffs. Small sample size, but 7 games against a good Rangers team he didn't look out of place at all. If he was given a look earlier, there wouldn't have been any need to trade for Downie.
- PLindbergh31

I still think the choice to let him stay on the Phantoms may have been the right one. He got to be a more important player down there, rather than a secondary player on the big club.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 3 @ 1:27 PM ET
Don't know that, nobody does. Can possibly know how Akeson would have fared over a longer stretch of games, from when Downie was dealt for in late October.
- MJL


Downie provided nothing, based on what I saw from Akeson in a 7 game series against a good defensive team like the Rangers, I'm confident Akeson could have produced. Certainly would have done more than Downie did.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:27 PM ET
Only if you include the 6th overall pick.
- ob18


I'd have to know the details of missing the 16 games for an LBI, was due to. Before even considering the player.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:28 PM ET
I'd have to know the details of missing the 16 games for an LBI, was due to. Before even considering the player.
- MJL


You go for it, I'd be looking at Ehlers or Dal Colle at 6th overall. Maybe Ritchie if they feel the need for another power forward.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 3 @ 1:29 PM ET
I still think the choice to let him stay on the Phantoms may have been the right one. He got to be a more important player down there, rather than a secondary player on the big club.
- BulliesPhan87


I'm sure if the Flyers brain trust knew Akeson would be pressed into playoff action, they would have called him up and let him play some games.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:29 PM ET
I'd like to see that line stay together next season. It seems like a good fit. I guess we'll see, though.
- BulliesPhan87


I wouldn't mind that either. I really don't hate the lines moving forward. They are still very young. They will get better. I just don't like our defense that much. And VL
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:29 PM ET
Downie provided nothing, based on what I saw from Akeson in a 7 game series against a good defensive team like the Rangers, I'm confident Akeson could have produced. Certainly would have done more than Downie did.
- PLindbergh31


If we take a short sample of games from Downie, before the concussion issues, it's false to say he provided nothing. He was effective before the concussion injuries piled up. And Downie has been an NHL player for a number of seasons. Akeson has not. He showed that he has some promise and some puck skills. But to say that he definitely could've produced over the majority of the season, is just a guess.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
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Joined: 02.04.2009

May 3 @ 1:30 PM ET
I wonder if Berube overplayed those guys this year. They logged a lot of tough Minutes against top lines and on the PK. It would be nice for the second line to step up and take on a little of the even strength burden next season
- PhillySportsGuy



If you've got a horse like Coots, who could blame you for riding him, even into the ground?

Think if Coots keeps progressing, Coots/Read could really be our Bergeron/Marchand kind of two-way tandem.

And yeah, 2nd-line needs a possession winger badly.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:30 PM ET
You go for it, I'd be looking at Ehlers or Dal Colle at 6th overall. Maybe Ritchie if they feel the need for another power forward.
- ob18


I love dal colle. I really hope the islanders don't take him. I don't want to have to root against him
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:31 PM ET
I'm sure if the Flyers brain trust knew Akeson would be pressed into playoff action, they would have called him up and let him play some games.
- PLindbergh31

I don't think that's a given. I think this is a case where they showed appropriate patience. A need arose in the line up, and he'd played well enough to earn a shot, and he fit pretty well.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:31 PM ET
I love dal colle. I really hope the islanders don't take him. I don't want to have to root against him
- PhillySportsGuy


I like him a lot as well, also a big fan of Ehlers who I think is more of the goal scoring player we need but Dal Colle is no slouch and has good size
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

May 3 @ 1:32 PM ET
I wouldn't mind that either. I really don't hate the lines moving forward. They are still very young. They will get better. I just don't like our defense that much. And VL
- PhillySportsGuy


Yup!

Although, it was better with Andy Mac, but another guy, (or 2) would help.

VL I can do without.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:32 PM ET
I wouldn't mind that either. I really don't hate the lines moving forward. They are still very young. They will get better. I just don't like our defense that much. And VL
- PhillySportsGuy

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Bunny. I think he can be a significantly better player than he'd been since the back injury, but I don't know if he finds a fit here. We've got a long summer's worth of unforseen factors yet, as well.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:32 PM ET
If you've got a horse like Coots, who could blame you for riding him, even into the ground?

Think if Coots keeps progressing, Coots/Read could really be our Bergeron/Marchand kind of two-way tandem.

And yeah, 2nd-line needs a possession winger badly.

- Tomahawk

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