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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:34 PM ET
I like him a lot as well, also a big fan of Ehlers who I think is more of the goal scoring player we need but Dal Colle is no slouch and has good size
- ob18


I think dal colle is a safer pick but ehlers has superstar potential and the better nickname
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 3 @ 1:35 PM ET
I don't think that's a given. I think this is a case where they showed appropriate patience. A need arose in the line up, and he'd played well enough to earn a shot, and he fit pretty well.
- BulliesPhan87


During the regular season when Downie was in and out of the lineup due to injury the answer was to dress a slug in Jay Rosehill. Maybe if Akeson would have played some regular season games instead of Rosehill, it could have made a difference.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:35 PM ET
I think dal colle is a safer pick but ehlers has superstar potential and the better nickname
- PhillySportsGuy


I would be happy with either. Whoever they take at 17 will still be decent, that's what we should really focus on over the next month and a half.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:36 PM ET
Yup!

Although, it was better with Andy Mac, but another guy, (or 2) would help.

VL I can do without.

- puckhead17


They just need guys who can handle the puck a little better. A guy like coburn is a strong defensive defenseman but he needs someone who can handle the occasional poor pass or be able to make the more difficult outlet pass
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:36 PM ET
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Bunny. I think he can be a significantly better player than he'd been since the back injury, but I don't know if he finds a fit here. We've got a long summer's worth of unforseen factors yet, as well.
- BulliesPhan87


I do to. But he needs to play Center, and preferably with a shifty, play making winger. Or he may not be a fit. I know that he's not the kind of center that Berube prefers.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:36 PM ET
They just need guys who can handle the puck a little better. A guy like coburn is a strong defensive defenseman but he needs someone who can handle the occasional poor pass or be able to make the more difficult outlet pass
- PhillySportsGuy


Yep, a little more puck skill is needed.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:37 PM ET
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Bunny. I think he can be a significantly better player than he'd been since the back injury, but I don't know if he finds a fit here. We've got a long summer's worth of unforseen factors yet, as well.
- BulliesPhan87


He doesn't fit with this team or coaching staff.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
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Joined: 02.04.2009

May 3 @ 1:38 PM ET
I think dal colle is a safer pick but ehlers has superstar potential and the better nickname
- PhillySportsGuy



If I'm trading up, I'm going after Ehlers.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:39 PM ET
I would be happy with either. Whoever they take at 17 will still be decent, that's what we should really focus on over the next month and a half.
- ob18


Do you think Tuch will be around at 17? He seems like a guy the flyers would covet
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

May 3 @ 1:39 PM ET
They just need guys who can handle the puck a little better. A guy like coburn is a strong defensive defenseman but he needs someone who can handle the occasional poor pass or be able to make the more difficult outlet pass
- PhillySportsGuy


I agree, I don't think an overhaul is required, one or two more puck movers would help immensely!
Depending on what Kimmo decides on.

Edit: Andy Mac made Schenn a much better player, so maybe just one more guy would make a world of difference.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:39 PM ET
If I'm trading up, I'm going after Ehlers.
- Tomahawk


He is the sexy pick. The Electric Eel
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:39 PM ET
During the regular season when Downie was in and out of the lineup due to injury the answer was to dress a slug in Jay Rosehill. Maybe if Akeson would have played some regular season games instead of Rosehill, it could have made a difference.
- PLindbergh31

Not a significant one, imo. The realistic goal this season was to return to form as a playoffs team, and they accomplished that. I really don't think more time on the big club would have benefited either Akeson or the club to any other end than the one that came to pass.

Playing Rosehill really only ever meant the other lines would play more minutes, I'm fine with that.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:41 PM ET
I do to. But he needs to play Center, and preferably with a shifty, play making winger. Or he may not be a fit. I know that he's not the kind of center that Berube prefers.
- MJL

The end of season interviews definitely point to this. It makes me think they may move on, and that the NTC won't be much of an issue. Of course, maybe they trade BSchenn, and need a center, and everything works out. Who knows? With this team, given how their offseasons go, I won't pretend to know what the circumstances will be come preseason.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:41 PM ET
Do you think Tuch will be around at 17? He seems like a guy the flyers would covet
- PhillySportsGuy


A chance yes, but I see him as one who will be more a power forward.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 3 @ 1:42 PM ET
Not a significant one, imo. The realistic goal this season was to return to form as a playoffs team, and they accomplished that. I really don't think more time on the big club would have benefited either Akeson or the club to any other end than the one that came to pass.

Playing Rosehill really only ever meant the other lines would play more minutes, I'm fine with that.

- BulliesPhan87


Luckily guys like Rosehill and Rinaldo aren't under contract next year. Waste of contract slots, and dressing guys 3-6 minutes a game is a waste of everyone's time.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:43 PM ET
I agree, I don't think an overhaul is required, one or two more puck movers would help immensely!
Depending on what Kimmo decides on.

Edit: Andy Mac made Schenn a much better player, so maybe just one more guy would make a world of difference.

- puckhead17


I'm hoping kimmo will pull a Pedro Martinez and come back mid season. That way he'll be fresh for the stretch run and save the flyers some money. I just don't think he'll do that though
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:44 PM ET
Luckily guys like Rosehill and Rinaldo aren't under contract next year. Waste of contract slots, and dressing guys 3-6 minutes a game is a waste of everyone's time.
- PLindbergh31

Let's be real, Rinaldo will be back for at least another year. There's a decent chance they re-up Rosegord too.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:45 PM ET
A chance yes, but I see him as one who will be more a power forward.
- ob18


I really like honka though. He's not a typical flyer pick but I think he's going to be a tremendous player
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:45 PM ET
The end of season interviews definitely point to this. It makes me think they may move on, and that the NTC won't be much of an issue. Of course, maybe they trade BSchenn, and need a center, and everything works out. Who knows? With this team, given how their offseasons go, I won't pretend to know what the circumstances will be come preseason.
- BulliesPhan87


Always tough to guess what they're going to do. But if Lecavalier is going to stay, then they need to use him the right way, and surround him with the right players. And if he's healthy, and ll of that is done, there is no doubt in my mind, he can still be a 25 goal 50-60 point player.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

May 3 @ 1:47 PM ET
I'm hoping kimmo will pull a Pedro Martinez and come back mid season. That way he'll be fresh for the stretch run and save the flyers some money. I just don't think he'll do that though
- PhillySportsGuy


I don't like when guys do that, that means someone else busts his a$$ for 1/2 a year, & then goes out of the lineup t make room for the "purposely rested guy".
I understand keeping Kimmo fresh would benefit us, but I don't think he's that type of guy. If anything, he would be perfectly slotted in the #5 or 6 spot, with lesser minutes, depending on who we could acquire.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:48 PM ET
Always tough to guess what they're going to do. But if Lecavalier is going to stay, then they need to use him the right way, and surround him with the right players. And if he's healthy, and ll of that is done, there is no doubt in my mind, he can still be a 25 goal 50-60 point player.
- MJL

Maybe they seek a new first line solution on the wing, and bump Voracek down? Not sure Jake "deserves a demotion", but they need to do something about that second line, it was at best a project all season. He could be the playmaking winger Bunny needs.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 3 @ 1:49 PM ET
Let's be real, Rinaldo will be back for at least another year. There's a decent chance they re-up Rosegord too.
- BulliesPhan87


Rosehill is fine as a 13th forward. You don't want to use a young player in that role because he'll see limited action. Rosehill also gives the team an enforcer if you need one for a certain game. Like against the pens. If a guy misses a significant amount of time, the team will likely call someone up anyway.

I would love to see them find a replacement for Rinaldo. It's a waste to play him all season. He took a major step back in every regard this season. I don't understand the love fest Berube has for him
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 3 @ 1:50 PM ET
A chance yes, but I see him as one who will be more a power forward.
- ob18

If you're Garth Snow, do you keep this year's pick and bank on rebounding next year and forfeit your chance at McDavid and Eichel if things go wrong again?

For the record, I'd keep this year's pick.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 3 @ 1:50 PM ET
I really like honka though. He's not a typical flyer pick but I think he's going to be a tremendous player
- PhillySportsGuy


He's one I'd also like, smooth skating D, he's a similar height as Kimmo
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 3 @ 1:50 PM ET
Rosehill is fine as a 13th forward. You don't want to use a young player in that role because he'll see limited action. Rosehill also gives the team an enforcer if you need one for a certain game. Like against the pens. If a guy misses a significant amount of time, the team will likely call someone up anyway.

I would love to see them find a replacement for Rinaldo. It's a waste to play him all season. He took a major step back in every regard this season. I don't understand the love fest Berube has for him

- PhillySportsGuy

I'm not keen on Rinaldo anymore. I think he didn't feel like he was at risk of being scratched, and the discipline suffered for it. The Flyers probably want to keep him for next season though.

Agreed, re: Roseville
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