I think they'd find some takers if they eat some money. For all of VL's faults, he can still produce on the PP and has a really good shot. A team might find him intriguing from that standpoint.

Even if the Flyers deal Schenn, I don't want VL back on this team. He was a trainwreck at even strength.
- PhillySportsGuy

We'll there was a lot of teams after VL last year. I would like to give him another chance, but if they could get someone to take him and I am sure it would only be small return...trade B Schenn as a part of package for a number one Dman...and then,dare I say it... Sign P Statsny for the number 2 centre.
I would also not be surprised if Edmonton comes calling again for Coburn

first bold: & what else?

second bold: I agree
- puckhead17

Well, not much else, but for a team thats decent at even strength, but bad on the PP, he could be an option.

A team like Florida might be interested. They had a horrific PP and their young centers will probably get better at even strength.

Vinny is used to playing in Florida, so he may be willing to waive to go there.

I feel like he could get 25 goals on most teams if he was given the opportunity to play on the first PP unit. He got 8 goals on our terrible 2nd unit while also missing time with injury. If theres one thing he can do, it's play on the PP.

We'll there was a lot of teams after VL last year. I would like to give him another chance, but if they could get someone to take him and I am sure it would only be small return...trade B Schenn as a part of package for a number one Dman...and then,dare I say it... Sign P Statsny for the number 2 centre.
I would also not be surprised if Edmonton comes calling again for Coburn
- 3flyerkids

I would never move Coburn unless it was for a better defenseman and the deal made sense.

I think Stastny is a nice player, but I'm not prepared to back the truck up for him. He's going to be the premier center on the market. There are several teams in the market for top 6 centers. He's going to get a huge bump like Niskanen.

I've seen enough of Vinny. I don't want him on the roster no matter what. I want to keep B Schenn as well. I don't think it's fair to jump Schenn when he's had to spend, at least, half of his career with Briere or VL. Those guys offer very little at even strength these days. Give him some normal linemates and see what happens. He seemed to play well with hartnell and Simmonds. Imagine if he had an actual puck carrier.

Man, did Edler look like hot trash this year.
- Tomahawk

Back injuries are bad news.

Well, not much else, but for a team thats decent at even strength, but bad on the PP, he could be an option.

A team like Florida might be interested. They had a horrific PP and their young centers will probably get better at even strength.

Vinny is used to playing in Florida, so he may be willing to waive to go there.

I feel like he could get 25 goals on most teams if he was given the opportunity to play on the first PP unit. He got 8 goals on our terrible 2nd unit while also missing time with injury. If theres one thing he can do, it's play on the PP.
- PhillySportsGuy

They'll be a taker for the $16.5/4 left for Vinny. Paying $6 million the 1st year was smart. If he doesn;t fit in the plans they'll get something done even if it's a net zero or slight minus not counting cap room.

Well, not much else, but for a team thats decent at even strength, but bad on the PP, he could be an option.

A team like Florida might be interested. They had a horrific PP and their young centers will probably get better at even strength.

Vinny is used to playing in Florida, so he may be willing to waive to go there.

I feel like he could get 25 goals on most teams if he was given the opportunity to play on the first PP unit. He got 8 goals on our terrible 2nd unit while also missing time with injury. If theres one thing he can do, it's play on the PP.
- PhillySportsGuy

I initially thought maybe back to Tampa, but they have a lot of good young guys taking top 6 roles now, (only our 4th line is where he would probably remain, sadly).

I just think being known as a one trick pony, even on the power play would be too easy for most teams to key on, despite the 20 goals he bagged, would he be able to duplicate that next year?
My guess is no, he's a year older, & probably slower.

I would never move Coburn unless it was for a better defenseman and the deal made sense.

I think Stastny is a nice player, but I'm not prepared to back the truck up for him. He's going to be the premier center on the market. There are several teams in the market for top 6 centers. He's going to get a huge bump like Niskanen.

I've seen enough of Vinny. I don't want him on the roster no matter what. I want to keep B Schenn as well. I don't think it's fair to jump Schenn when he's had to spend, at least, half of his career with Briere or VL. Those guys offer very little at even strength these days. Give him some normal linemates and see what happens. He seemed to play well with hartnell and Simmonds. Imagine if he had an actual puck carrier.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree on Coburn, not unless a proven replacement comes back this way.
I also agree on Stastny, (imagine he, Giroux, Simmonds, & Voracek on your top 2 lines?) WOW!
But he would command a lot of cash, & they would have to be settled, or have a definite plan on the back line first.

I initially thought maybe back to Tampa, but they have a lot of good young guys taking top 6 roles now, (only our 4th line is where he would probably remain, sadly).

I just think being known as a one trick pony, even on the power play would be too easy for most teams to key on, despite the 20 goals he bagged, would he be able to duplicate that next year?
My guess is no, he's a year older, & probably slower.
- puckhead17

I think there could be a market for Vinny. They may have to eat part of his contract. Teams like Nashville, Florida, Arizona, or the Isles could be interested. Smaller market teams who need center help looking for bargains to fill spots. The Flyers wouldn't get much in return, but hypothetically if they had to eat $1 million/yr to move him, I think they would do it in a heartbeat.

Timonen distributed the puck well, but teams just didn't respect his shot enough.
- MJL

why should they? he didn't shoot the puck.

i hate you.
- stayinthefnnet

I think there could be a market for Vinny. They may have to eat part of his contract. Teams like Nashville, Florida, Arizona, or the Isles could be interested. Smaller market teams who need center help looking for bargains to fill spots. The Flyers wouldn't get much in return, but hypothetically if they had to eat $1 million/yr to move him, I think they would do it in a heartbeat.
- ravishingone

I agree that they would probably have to eat some of his money, but I don't see much of a market for him after this season, I hope I'm wrong.

2 of the 3 teams you mentioned play a tight defensive style, Vinny is not a very good defensive player.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

Edit: Montreal gave Briere 2 years, (and he is also a poor defensive player, however, he still has decent speed).
Homer with his long, bad contracts.

I think there could be a market for Vinny. They may have to eat part of his contract. Teams like Nashville, Florida, Arizona, or the Isles could be interested. Smaller market teams who need center help looking for bargains to fill spots. The Flyers wouldn't get much in return, but hypothetically if they had to eat $1 million/yr to move him, I think they would do it in a heartbeat.
- ravishingone

if the Flyers eat salary I think they can get a late pick. Vinny did score 20 goals and is an under 35 contract.

I agree that they would probably have to eat some of his money, but I don't see much of a market for him after this season, I hope I'm wrong.

2 of the 3 teams you mentioned play a tight defensive style, Vinny is not a very good defensive player.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

Edit: Montreal gave Briere 2 years, (and he is also a poor defensive player, however, he still has decent speed).
Homer with his long, bad contracts.
- puckhead17

homer's acquired a lot of good players...but generally with 1 or 2 years too many, and sometimes too much $...and with no movement clauses. i really wish the league would have been able to ban these. it's the one area in the cba war i would like for them to have more power.

if the Flyers eat salary I think they can get a late pick. Vinny did score 20 goals and is an under 35 contract.
- jstross

i hate the idea of them eating money just to get rid of guys. i think they will keep vinny and will wait and see if the offseason helps with his recovery. if next year is a repeat of this year, i think they'll try to dump him...and eating salary may be the only way.

I agree that they would probably have to eat some of his money, but I don't see much of a market for him after this season, I hope I'm wrong.

2 of the 3 teams you mentioned play a tight defensive style, Vinny is not a very good defensive player.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

Edit: Montreal gave Briere 2 years, (and he is also a poor defensive player, however, he still has decent speed).
Homer with his long, bad contracts.
- puckhead17

Understandable. I really don't want to see the Flyers go after Niskanen, but I would not mind them trying to poach Jussi Jokinen instead. Plays LW, will get a pay increase in the open market, but only making $3 million right now. Hopefully, Kimmo returns and can convince his fellow countryman to move across the state. Plus, he's been effective in shootouts.

brian hayward reminds me of dwight schrute.

27% of Kimmo's shot-attemps were blocked versus 35% for Streit:
http://www.extraskater.co...013&pos=D&team=phi&sort=s


As you can see on the right-side, Streit took predominantly slappers all year long -- probably the reason for the higher % of blocks.
- Tomahawk

Streit scored 4 PP goals to 1 compared to Timonen. Streit shoots the puck much better then Timonen does.

Understandable. I really don't want to see the Flyers go after Niskanen, but I would not mind them trying to poach Jussi Jokinen instead. Plays LW, will get a pay increase in the open market, but only making $3 million right now. Hopefully, Kimmo returns and can convince his fellow countryman to move across the state. Plus, he's been effective in shootouts.
- ravishingone

the jussi shootout magic has waned in recent history.

homer's acquired a lot of good players...but generally with 1 or 2 years too many, and sometimes too much $...and with no movement clauses. i really wish the league would have been able to ban these. it's the one area in the cba war i would like for them to have more power.
- hammarby31

I know, I hate to sound repetitive on the topic, but I hated VL coming here when it happened.

I don't think the owners had any power in the cba war, (with, "you know who", at the helm), the owners still look like the bad guys.

i appreciate hiller's different approach to the art on his mask, but it is hideous.

Understandable. I really don't want to see the Flyers go after Niskanen, but I would not mind them trying to poach Jussi Jokinen instead. Plays LW, will get a pay increase in the open market, but only making $3 million right now. Hopefully, Kimmo returns and can convince his fellow countryman to move across the state. Plus, he's been effective in shootouts.
- ravishingone

Sorry, I would love for us to get him.

Especially with Kimmo's $ coming off, (maybe).

i hate the idea of them eating money just to get rid of guys. i think they will keep vinny and will wait and see if the offseason helps with his recovery. if next year is a repeat of this year, i think they'll try to dump him...and eating salary may be the only way.
- hammarby31

I hate it too. However, if I can add another top 6 true winger like Moulson, Vanek(Cost prohibitive) or Dman with the space then I do it. I honestly think Vinny is much more dealable than Hartnell who is here for the term of his contract.

i appreciate hiller's different approach to the art on his mask, but it is hideous.
- hammarby31

He needs a demonic duck on that mask!

I know, I hate to sound repetitive on the topic, but I hated VL coming here when it happened.

I don't think the owners had any power in the cba war, (with, "you know who", at the helm), the owners still look like the bad guys.
- puckhead17

i was high on the signing - even if i didn't like the years/money - again, a bit too long/much for my liking. i'm hopeful he can regain his effectiveness next year. i really wanted to see gagne back just to play with him. for some reason i believe they'd be good together. that ship has sailed.

the jussi shootout magic has waned in recent history.
- hammarby31

I think he would be the best shootout player on this team other then Giroux. Granted, that is not saying much. However, a 20 goal scorer who is a decent two-way forward who is only 31 and you could probably get for no more then $4 million, I think is advantageous.