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hobo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.20.2008

May 4 @ 12:54 PM ET
This would be an interesting wrench thrown into the offseason plans:

Matthew Coller of ESPN: Four potential players who could receive an offer sheet this offseason: 1. Ryan O’Reilly (COL) – The Maple Leafs would be the best fit. Offer sheet of seven years and $49 million. 2. Brayden Schenn (PHI) – The Dallas Stars would be the best fit. Offer sheet of five years and $30 million. 3. Mats Zuccarello (NYR) – The Montreal Canadiens are the best fit. Offer sheet of six years and $36 million. 4. Reilly Smith (BOS) – The Columbus Blue Jackets are the best fit. Offer sheet of five years and $25 million.

Compensation would be a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd. That sucks, but I can't see the Flyers matching an offer like that either...
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 4 @ 12:56 PM ET
I would just like to see schenn play a whole season at center without VL or briere on his wing. Give the kid those things and I guarantee he'll get better in all areas
- PhillySportsGuy


The Flyers...this franchise has been so much fun for me over the years. But they owe themselves this. They might not even know it.

But they owe themselves seeing what this kid becomes. They've gone through the hard part. Just get the kid another winger, for Gosh sakes
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 4 @ 12:56 PM ET
we dont' trade schenn unless we get an equally high talent in return that's young
vinny goes first if we trade a center
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 4 @ 12:58 PM ET
he's not worth the 6th overall or you wouldn't be trading him.
- LeftCoaster


Personally I'm not trading him. I would listen if a team called.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 4 @ 12:59 PM ET
This would be an interesting wrench thrown into the offseason plans:

Matthew Coller of ESPN: Four potential players who could receive an offer sheet this offseason: 1. Ryan O’Reilly (COL) – The Maple Leafs would be the best fit. Offer sheet of seven years and $49 million. 2. Brayden Schenn (PHI) – The Dallas Stars would be the best fit. Offer sheet of five years and $30 million. 3. Mats Zuccarello (NYR) – The Montreal Canadiens are the best fit. Offer sheet of six years and $36 million. 4. Reilly Smith (BOS) – The Columbus Blue Jackets are the best fit. Offer sheet of five years and $25 million.

Compensation would be a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd. That sucks, but I can't see the Flyers matching an offer like that either...

- hobo


I wouldn't if that was the offer sheet he could be given.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 4 @ 1:06 PM ET
I wouldn't if that was the offer sheet he could be given.
- ob18


Nor would I...if it gets to that point, then work out a deal or take the picks. Can't be scared to not overpay, even if it means losing the player.

Nashville, for the record, has paid one large defenseman around $65 million to not make the playoffs
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 4 @ 1:08 PM ET
Nor would I...if it gets to that point, then work out a deal or take the picks. Can't be scared to not overpay, even if it means losing the player.

Nashville, for the record, has paid one large defenseman around $65 million to not make the playoffs

- AllInForFlyers


Wouldn't be a deal to work out, if he is given an offer sheet the options are accept the terms of it or take the picks.
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

May 4 @ 1:12 PM ET
In other words, go into rebuild mode, wait half a decade to know if Ekblad will blossom into a franchise D and open other, immediate holes.
- bmeltzer

i wouldn't call that rebuild mode. if they can get value for schenn, as you suggested is the only way they should consider doing it, then this is a way, albeit unlikely, to do that. i doubt florida would take schenn, hartnell grossmann and out pick for the #1 overall


edit: we could also wait for 5 years for schenn to 'blossom' and find out he topped out this year.....
LJF
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jersey Baby Jersey
Joined: 04.17.2009

May 4 @ 1:12 PM ET
we dont' trade schenn unless we get an equally high talent in return that's young
vinny goes first if we trade a center

- 2Real


Exactly. Schenn is on the upswing of his career, VL in on down trend of his career.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 4 @ 1:12 PM ET
This would be an interesting wrench thrown into the offseason plans:

Matthew Coller of ESPN: Four potential players who could receive an offer sheet this offseason: 1. Ryan O’Reilly (COL) – The Maple Leafs would be the best fit. Offer sheet of seven years and $49 million. 2. Brayden Schenn (PHI) – The Dallas Stars would be the best fit. Offer sheet of five years and $30 million. 3. Mats Zuccarello (NYR) – The Montreal Canadiens are the best fit. Offer sheet of six years and $36 million. 4. Reilly Smith (BOS) – The Columbus Blue Jackets are the best fit. Offer sheet of five years and $25 million.

Compensation would be a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd. That sucks, but I can't see the Flyers matching an offer like that either...

- hobo



Yea that number is too high. All those offers seem more than what any team might offer up. Those are super aggressive offers.

In b schenns case I take the picks.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 4 @ 1:13 PM ET
Wouldn't be a deal to work out, if he is given an offer sheet the options are accept the terms of it or take the picks.
- ob18


Huh. Isn't it allowed for a team to send you something so you don't match the offer sheet, a la Mikael Renberg heading to Tampa so Chris Gratton could come up?

It would be separate transactions, but essentially, a trade?
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 1:20 PM ET
Give Schenn a bridge deal and trade Lecav(if possible). Put Schenn at Center and look for another winger.
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

May 4 @ 1:22 PM ET
Give Schenn a bridge deal and trade Lecav(if possible). Put Schenn at Center and look for another winger.
- jstross

who takes on vinny w/ that contract? i doubt you get anything back of value for him unless you take a pick in return
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 4 @ 1:25 PM ET
Baby Schenn and Matt Read playing for Canada at the World Championships, per TSN
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 4 @ 1:35 PM ET
who takes on vinny w/ that contract? i doubt you get anything back of value for him unless you take a pick in return
- hogweed



you won't get back anything, period. Nothing good. Nothing bad. Vinny stays. No Movement Clause.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 1:36 PM ET
who takes on vinny w/ that contract? i doubt you get anything back of value for him unless you take a pick in return
- hogweed


I'd give him away if I could just for the cap space.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 4 @ 1:38 PM ET
I'd give him away if I could just for the cap space.
- jstross



No

Movement

Clause


he can't even go to the Phantoms.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 4 @ 1:39 PM ET
Kevin Fiala 2014 NHL Draft

jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 1:46 PM ET
No

Movement

Clause


he can't even go to the Phantoms.

- Hesh_


I believe an offensive minded team with a need on the PP could use him. $16.5 million isn't an outrageous sum.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 4 @ 1:46 PM ET
No

Movement

Clause


he can't even go to the Phantoms.

- Hesh_



If hes agreeable maybe we can ship him out along with Gus to a team say like the Coyotes or Preds. Then he can wink wink get Prongered LTIR due to his back issues year after year, or if he plays thats great. But an organization that can absorb his cap hit while getting another piece in Gus.

I dont know just spitballing.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 4 @ 1:49 PM ET
If hes agreeable maybe we can ship him out along with Gus to a team say like the Coyotes or Preds. Then he can wink wink get Prongered LTIR due to his back issues year after year, or if he plays thats great. But an organization that can absorb his cap hit while getting another piece in Gus.

I dont know just spitballing.

- Just5


Believe he selected a eastern conference team for a reason, doubtful at least to me he'd accept any request that would involve him moving to the western conference.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 4 @ 1:53 PM ET
Vinny would have to want to go. This is like the whole Hartnell situation. If they're happy here, they aren't leaving. Pretty simple.

And of all teams, the Coyotes and the Preds don't seem to be the kind of teams to pay a 5 mil/year cap to just anyone. It's would take someone special. Someone other than Vinny.

Cozy up to them, boys. They're hangin out for awhile.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 4 @ 1:57 PM ET

The Flyers, without a Stanley Cup since 1975, feel the same way after losing to the Rangers in seven opening-round games.

"I still don't think they were the better team," winger Wayne Simmonds said.

Taken from Carchidi's article...

http://www.philly.com/phi....html#jXiGYribwK0LrB2F.99




This was probably the most lopsided series 5 vs 5 in the playoffs.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 4 @ 1:57 PM ET
and I know you're spitballing. I'm just saying there's a 5% chance of it. Max.


However, I do think the subject of Schenn being traded or us receiving compensation is an interesting one. I have NO IDEA what he's worth. I have a feeling if Homer offer him something, it'll be way too much. I could also see him become poached and then turn into a productive 60 point+/year guy. Just our luck.

A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder is kinda interesting though, right? Unfortunately this doesn't appear to be the deepest draft, and yeah, we'd have a glaring hole where he was, but a 1,2,and 3 is still tempting, eh?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 4 @ 2:00 PM ET
Vinny would have to want to go. This is like the whole Hartnell situation. If they're happy here, they aren't leaving. Pretty simple.

And of all teams, the Coyotes and the Preds don't seem to be the kind of teams to pay a 5 mil/year cap to just anyone. It's would take someone special. Someone other than Vinny.

Cozy up to them, boys. They're hangin out for awhile.

- Hesh_



I dont have much of an issue with Hartnell. But I think the GM is a little bit warmer on Vinny that Berube is. I hope Berube sticks to his guns and will have his plan as B Schenn at center. Berube can at least threaten Vinny with preparing him to get ready for camp as the LW, which might make him walk up to Holmers office and knock on his door. After that who knows
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