I will be straight pissed if we, as a fanbase, had to watch the inconsistency and growing pains, see this kid growing slowly but making progress, then move him for another piece while never giving him two wingers for an entire season who are honest-to-God Top 6 wingers

This situation could piss me off more than anything the Flyers have done since I started watching them 35 years ago.

Because you know what Brayden Schenn's next team is gonna do? Give him two NHL wingers, sit back and watch him score 60 points for the next 8-10 years
- AllInForFlyers

I like Brayden Schenn. I think he's a good player who is only going to get better. But if he's traded for a player of similar age that fills a bigger need. I have no problem with that.
Brayden Schenn has played with good players. His linemates have not been holding him back from developing.

I wouldn't have a problem with Hartnell either, if his cap hit was half of what it is, three years shorter, and he was on the third line where he belongs.

Harts is a 3rd line player at this point. That's it.

His presence on the 1st line is a joke, and it's holding Giroux (and possibly Jake) back in their development. That line desperately needs a finisher. At the very least, a big guy that cleans up rebounds and screens goalies.

Hartnell trying to receive a pass from G is like watching a monkey drive a Ferrari. He's not doing it right. Remember when Giroux came up and he was making passes only certain gifted and aware offensive minds could read his moves, but when he did find a partner it was magic? That magic is gone. G isn't even trying that stuff anymore with Hartnell's presence. It's a joke.

He's gotta go to the 3rd line where he belongs. It's where he would play on any other team other than a handful like the Isles, Preds, or Oilers.

I wouldn't have a problem with Hartnell either, if his cap hit was half of what it is, three years shorter, and he was on the third line where he belongs.

Harts is a 3rd line player at this point. That's it.

His presence on the 1st line is a joke, and it's holding Giroux (and possibly Jake) back in their development. That line desperately needs a finisher. At the very least, a big guy that cleans up rebounds and screens goalies.

Hartnell trying to receive a pass from G is like watching a monkey drive a Ferrari. He's not doing it right. Remember when Giroux came up and he was making passes only certain gifted and aware offensive minds could read his moves, but when he did find a partner it was magic? That magic is gone. G isn't even trying that stuff anymore with Hartnell's presence. It's a joke.

He's gotta go to the 3rd line where he belongs. It's where he would play on any other team other than a handful like the Isles, Preds, or Oilers.
- Hesh_

Giroux is a finalist for the Hart trophy. His development is not being held back by anyone.
Hartnell, when he plays well, is fine on that line. When he doesn't, he's not. He's that kind of player. And he's still capable of playing on a scoring line.

and I know you're spitballing. I'm just saying there's a 5% chance of it. Max.


However, I do think the subject of Schenn being traded or us receiving compensation is an interesting one. I have NO IDEA what he's worth. I have a feeling if Homer offer him something, it'll be way too much. I could also see him become poached and then turn into a productive 60 point+/year guy. Just our luck.

A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder is kinda interesting though, right? Unfortunately this doesn't appear to be the deepest draft, and yeah, we'd have a glaring hole where he was, but a 1,2,and 3 is still tempting, eh?
- Hesh_

I see his value somewhere along the line of voraceks at the time we acquired him. Showed glimpses and stretches of being that top RW or 2nd line center in our case, but there are some question marks whether it be consistency/conditioning. Whatever.

All the more reason to keep him IMO.

When Hartnell plays well is far outnumbered by when he doesn't play well. Harts seems to go on two small, but potent hot streaks each year. Other than that, he's not suited for the first line. If Giroux had an offensive mind rather than a grinder with him, nobody would be making fun of his nomination for a Hart. He'd be a serious finalist, not a distant 3rd like everyone is saying.

I think a keen offensive mind at G's wing could keep him in the 100 point area for a few years. He's special.

I see his value somewhere along the line of voraceks at the time we acquired him. Showed glimpses and stretches of being that top RW or 2nd line center in our case, but there are some question marks whether it be consistency/conditioning. Whatever.

All the more reason to keep him IMO.
- Just5

I'm fine if they do keep him. He's got great potential, and 22 is still quite young. I'm not ready to give up on the guy by any stretch.

In fact, I'd prefer he stays! I just hope they don't saddle the organization with another bad contract is all.

And a 1, 2, and 3 is tempting. I'd rather have Schenn, but that compensation is a pretty good deal.

When Hartnell plays well is far outnumbered by when he doesn't play well. Harts seems to go on two small, but potent hot streaks each year. Other than that, he's not suited for the first line. If Giroux had an offensive mind rather than a grinder with him, nobody would be making fun of his nomination for a Hart. He'd be a serious finalist, not a distant 3rd like everyone is saying.

I think a keen offensive mind at G's wing could keep him in the 100 point area for a few years. He's special.
- Hesh_

Hartnell was one of our best most consistent players this year... led the team in +/-

Why is he being discussed like this?

When Hartnell plays well is far outnumbered by when he doesn't play well. Harts seems to go on two small, but potent hot streaks each year. Other than that, he's not suited for the first line. If Giroux had an offensive mind rather than a grinder with him, nobody would be making fun of his nomination for a Hart. He'd be a serious finalist, not a distant 3rd like everyone is saying.

I think a keen offensive mind at G's wing could keep him in the 100 point area for a few years. He's special.
- Hesh_

Who is making fun of his nomination for the Hart? And being 3rd in the voting means that he got more votes then all but 2 players in the entire league. Nothing there to make fun of.
A good line needs balance. Giroux and Voracek both like to carry the puck. Need somebody to go to the net and do the dirty work to balance it out. Hartnell is capable of doing that.

Hartnell was one of our best most consistent players this year... led the team in +/-

Why is he being discussed like this?
- FlyersSteve118

his name was brought up when we were discussing NMCs.

+/-. hm.

I'm not saying Harts is bad. I'm just saying he belongs on a different line than Giroux. Giroux needs a finisher. Harts isn't that guy anymore.

That's all

How come whenever we talk about Centers nobody ever mentions Scott Laughton.

I'd say trade him his brother and Laughton to the Predators for Shea Weber. Move Vinny to the 2nd line then keep Couturier at 3rd line and if he scores more move him up. Then use the extra money to find him and matt read a winger.

I like Brayden Schenn. I think he's a good player who is only going to get better. But if he's traded for a player of similar age that fills a bigger need. I have no problem with that.
Brayden Schenn has played with good players. His linemates have not been holding him back from developing.
- MJL

Vincent Lecavalier this year and Daniel Briere last year have not helped Brayden Schenn develop one bit.

We can agree to disagree, because we clearly do/will on this issues.

Vincent Lecavalier this year and Daniel Briere last year have not helped Brayden Schenn develop one bit.

We can agree to disagree, because we clearly do/will on this issues.
- AllInForFlyers

All you have to do is look at the lengthy dry spells that Schenn has had in scoring when not playing with Lecavalier. Who hurt his development then?

Who is making fun of his nomination for the Hart? And being 3rd in the voting means that he got more votes then all but 2 players in the entire league. Nothing there to make fun of.
A good line needs balance. Giroux and Voracek both like to carry the puck. Need somebody to go to the net and do the dirty work to balance it out. Hartnell is capable of doing that.
- MJL

ugh. please don't read people's comments. save yourself that. Giroux is getting unfair flack for his nomination, but of course it's all by bonehead posters, so take it for what it's worth.

I understand why he was nominated. I'm a huge Giroux fan. Others not so much.

I think Giroux has an unfair Golden Boy image throughout the media that a lot of people have used and turned on him (outside of Flyerville). The first was because Lavy called him the 'best player in the league' after a dominating playoff performance against Pittsburgh. Now he's nominated for the Hart, and haters stare at his early slump.

Either way, they are two thing Giroux had nothing to do with. He didn't call himself 'the best'. He didn't nominate himself for the Hart. All he did was call out his team, Promise the playoffs after a 1-7 start, and then come through with his promise. I think the guy is a winner. I just think he' needs more help than what Hartnell provides

How come whenever we talk about Centers nobody ever mentions Scott Laughton.

I'd say trade him his brother and Laughton to the Predators for Shea Weber. Move Vinny to the 2nd line then keep Couturier at 3rd line and if he scores more move him up. Then use the extra money to find him and matt read a winger.
- 215mike

I don't know if that get's it done, but I'm all for having Shea Weber in orange.

I'm also excited to see Laughton play in the NHL. He's ready. His value might never be higher than it is now after his last season, so he could be a very nice bargaining chip if they want to go in that direction.

I bet Laughton will be a fan favorite in due time if he stays.

ugh. please don't read people's comments. save yourself that. Giroux is getting unfair flack for his nomination, but of course it's all by bonehead posters, so take it for what it's worth.

I understand why he was nominate. I'm a huge Giroux fan. Others not so much.

I think Giroux has an unfair Golden Boy image throughout the media that a lot of people have used and turned on him (outside of Flyerville). The first was because Lavy called him the 'best player in the league' after a dominating playoff performance against Pittsburgh. Now he's nominated for the Hart, and haters stare at his early slump.

Either way, they are two thing Giroux had nothing to do with. He didn't call himself 'the best'. He didn't nominate himself for the Hart. All he did was call out his team, Promise the playoffs after a 1-7 start, and then come through with his promise. I think the guy is a winner. I just think he' needs more help than what Hartnell provides
- Hesh_

That flack, which I don't even know exists, is worthless and irrelevant. Nor would any comments by any fan, have an effect on the moves that the Flyers should make personnel wise.

That flack, which I don't even know exists, is worthless and irrelevant. Nor would any comments by any fan, have an effect on the moves that the Flyers should make personnel wise.
- MJL

oh, it exists. I won't spam the thread, though.

and no, it has no effect on any moves. never said it did. it clearly shouldn't

I don't know if that get's it done, but I'm all for having Shea Weber in orange.

I'm also excited to see Laughton play in the NHL. He's ready. His value might never be higher than it is now after his last season, so he could be a very nice bargaining chip if they want to go in that direction.

I bet Laughton will be a fan favorite in due time if he stays.
- Hesh_

Problem Laughton staying is where the hell is he gonna play if you keep all these centers. Your not bringing in Laughton to play the 4th line.

oh, it exists. I won't spam the thread, though.

and no, it has no effect on any moves. never said it did. it clearly shouldn't
- Hesh_

I think the source of the comments needs to be taking into consideration. Is there one credible NHL analyst that says that Giroux is not deserving of the nomination?

Problem Laughton staying is where the hell is he gonna play if you keep all these centers. Your not bringing in Laughton to play the 4th line.
- 215mike

Laughton might very well start out on the 4th line. And I think the Flyers depth at center, is all the more reason to make B Schenn a full time Winger.

How come whenever we talk about Centers nobody ever mentions Scott Laughton.

I'd say trade him his brother and Laughton to the Predators for Shea Weber. Move Vinny to the 2nd line then keep Couturier at 3rd line and if he scores more move him up. Then use the extra money to find him and matt read a winger.
- 215mike

You'd have to throw in this years #1 and that still might get it done.

Problem Laughton staying is where the hell is he gonna play if you keep all these centers. Your not bringing in Laughton to play the 4th line.
- 215mike

I kinda thought they would play him on the 4th line for a season or so, kinda like they did with Couturier.

Laughton should be better than that, though. I think this kid is a Flyer.

There definitely is a logjam at center, though. If they feel both Vinny and Schenn play their best hockey at Center, and obviously Coots and G keep their jobs, then what's to become of Laughton?

I think they have the chips to make a trade and fill a different hole if they choose to

I think the source of the comments needs to be taking into consideration. Is there one credible NHL analyst that says that Giroux is not deserving of the nomination?
- MJL

I'm not talking about the media. I'm talking about the idiot fans.

Laughton might very well start out on the 4th line. And I think the Flyers depth at center, is all the more reason to make B Schenn a full time Winger.
- MJL

no way are you bringing in a former 1st round pick to play 4th line center minutes he'll be lucky if he plays 5 mins a game. I rather see him in the AHL getting the development he needs.

All you have to do is look at the lengthy dry spells that Schenn has had in scoring when not playing with Lecavalier. Who hurt his development then?
- MJL

That is a testament to the lack of scoring depth on the wing, particularly on the left side, that the Flyers have.

The Flyers have some holes, and some of those holes have not helped Schenn or Couturier develop as smoothly as they possibly could have with more establsihed wingers on both sides

Laughton might very well start out on the 4th line. And I think the Flyers depth at center, is all the more reason to make B Schenn a full time Winger.
- MJL

By all accounts he's a much better center than winger. Why play him out of position? Better to trade Vinny and pick up a top winger.