What are you doing with Read?

I love the idea of scrapping the checking line. The West has been playing with 4 scoring lines, and look at how deep those teams are.

I also think, and I know this is unpopular, but I believe Rinaldo is a 13th forward. He can get under the skin of some teams and draw more penalties than he is called for, but it doesn't work on everybody. Certainly not teams like the Rangers. If it's the Penguins, he's perfect, but a lot of the better teams let him fly around until he take a stupid penalty. You gotta put a leash on him. Call him up when you know you've got an opponent susceptible to his antics. Other than that gimme some guys with a little skill. Id rather see Akeson.
- Hesh_

My dream lineup would be to trade Vinny and acquire a top line LW...

Vanek/Moulson Giroux Jake
harts/ schenn/ simmer
akeson coots read
raffl laughton hall/rinaldo

I like Read, but it's not a mistake if it lands you Gormley. You should thank your lucky stars if the Coyotes took a deal like that.

The Matt Reads of the world are easier to come by than a guy touted like Gormley.
- Hesh_

That's too much for Gormley. I would not include Matt Read in that deal.

I like Read, but it's not a mistake if it lands you Gormley. You should thank your lucky stars if the Coyotes took a deal like that.

The Matt Reads of the world are easier to come by than a guy touted like Gormley.
- Hesh_

I think Matt Read has a LOT of skill that goes unused on the flyers. Getting his limited o-zone starts and putting up the numbers he does is insane. I really think Read could put up a 30/40 season playing on a scoring line. The kid has vision and hands.

That's too much for Gormley. I would not include Matt Read in that deal.
- MJL

They won't do it for Laughton alone, and I doubt Laughton and a 1st.

Would you try to get him at all? Or just roll with the young defense we have?

This guy is 21 and ready for our top pairing on D. He'll be an all-star in 2 or 3 years. he's an OEL prototype.

A guy like that with Ghost? psssssshhhhhhhh. Man. That would be incredible. '


and here's the thing, Phoenix is LOADED with young defenseman! They can afford to deal him! You just gotta throw them offense.

I think Matt Read has a LOT of skill that goes unused on the flyers. Getting his limited o-zone starts and putting up the numbers he does is insane. I really think Read could put up a 30/40 season playing on a scoring line. The kid has vision and hands.
- FlyersSteve118

Exactly. The Flyers have an issue with ES play. And Read is one of their best players at ES. Not just in terms of overall play, but he also a very good goal scorer at ES. He ranks in the top 50 of all NHL players in ES goals. That's while playing on the checking line, and with a center that isn't putting up high offensive numbers. if Read was used in a different role, his production could go way up. Not a player you dangle.

They won't do it for Laughton alone, and I doubt Laughton and a 1st.

Would you try to get him at all? Or just roll with the young defense we have?

This guy is 21 and ready for our top pairing on D. He'll be an all-star in 2 or 3 years. he's an OEL prototype.

A guy like that with Ghost? psssssshhhhhhhh. Man. That would be incredible. '


and here's the thing, Phoenix is LOADED with young defenseman! They can afford to deal him! You just gotta throw them offense.
- Hesh_

Sure I'd be interested. But not going to overpay. I think you underrate Read.

Sure I'd be interested. But not going to overpay. I think you underrate Read.
- MJL

nope. I rate him highly. I just understand you gotta be prepared to pay if you wan to win a talent of that caliber, especially with other teams licking their chops.

gotta pay to play

Sure I'd be interested. But not going to overpay. I think you underrate Read.
- MJL

You don't pay that kind of price for a kid who has not proven himself. Even if it looks like a no brainer.

nope. I rate him highly. I just understand you gotta be prepared to pay if you wan to win a talent of that caliber, especially with other teams licking their chops.

gotta pay to play
- Hesh_

Well then maybe it's overrating Gormley. That price is too high. Not giving that up for a player that is not established in the NHL.

You don't pay that kind of price for a kid who has not proven himself. Even if it looks like a no brainer.
- FlyersSteve118

if not read, then what offense are you gonna toss their way to sweeten the pot?

maybe this is just me, but I want a few things -

- a LW sniper

- a defense

I'm willing to give up good people to get good people. you have to.

So what would be your offer? Just gonna stay the course? Or is there someone else out here you're interested in?

Matt Read is one of the last players I'd be looking to trade unless the return is excellent. A 20 goal scorer on a defensive line with one of the more reasonable contracts on the books. He could easily be added one of the top 2 lines if they could find a nice 3rd line winger. He gives you so much felxibility.

You don't pay that kind of price for a kid who has not proven himself. Even if it looks like a no brainer.
- FlyersSteve118

ok. if it's steep, what do you offer?

if not read, then what offense are you gonna toss their way to sweeten the pot?

maybe this is just me, but I want a few things -

- a LW sniper

- a defense

I'm willing to give up good people to get good people. you have to.

So what would be your offer? Just gonna stay the course? Or is there someone else out here you're interested in?
- Hesh_

I feel like you keep your core and go after Niskanen before you try to trade a young guy for a Dman. Also clear up space and go after Vanek/ Moulson.

But if they fail in FA, they certainly have to trade for a dman. I was thinking we might be able to get Ehrhoff from Buffalo for a 1st / 2nd and Hagg. Solid dman with a very reasonable cap hit.

if not read, then what offense are you gonna toss their way to sweeten the pot?

maybe this is just me, but I want a few things -

- a LW sniper

- a defense

I'm willing to give up good people to get good people. you have to.

So what would be your offer? Just gonna stay the course? Or is there someone else out here you're interested in?
- Hesh_

I'd be more inclined to trade B Schenn or Laughton. But I'm not going to do that for a prospect. I'd want an established NHL defenseman.

I'd be more inclined to trade B Schenn or Laughton. But I'm not going to do that for a prospect. I'd want an established NHL defenseman.
- MJL

yeah, I agree Laughton is a prime bargaining chip, but Schenn has a limited value considering he's an RFA in a few weeks.


When it comes to Ehrhoff, I think that offer is steep. I think you can get him for less. Your original offer would've been fair if you were receiving the Ehrhoff that was coming from Vancouver.

He would be a good name to go after, though. A good stop gap until the younger dmen in the system are ready.

ok. if it's steep, what do you offer?
- Hesh_

Im sorry I just can't give up real assets for a guy who played 5 nhl games. At least not the type of assets that it would take to get the deal done.

yeah, I agree Laughton is a prime bargaining chip, but Schenn has a limited value considering he's an RFA in a few weeks.


When it comes to Ehrhoff, I think that offer is steep. I think you can get him for less. Your original offer would've been fair if you were receiving the Ehrhoff that was coming from Vancouver.

He would be a good name to go after, though. A good stop gap until the younger dmen in the system are ready.
- Hesh_

I don't think that Schenn's contract status limits his trade value in any way.

I didn't make a proposal for Ehrhoff.

I'd be more inclined to trade B Schenn or Laughton. But I'm not going to do that for a prospect. I'd want an established NHL defenseman.
- MJL

Read and raffl. Flyers need to hang onto those guys like grim death. Just too much versatility in a forward unit without enough of it

yeah, I agree Laughton is a prime bargaining chip, but Schenn has a limited value considering he's an RFA in a few weeks.


When it comes to Ehrhoff, I think that offer is steep. I think you can get him for less. Your original offer would've been fair if you were receiving the Ehrhoff that was coming from Vancouver.

He would be a good name to go after, though. A good stop gap until the younger dmen in the system are ready.
- Hesh_

Ehrhoff would be great for a few years, and than his contract would be simple to move to a team trying to make the cap floor. With his 1mil actual salary vs. 4mil cap hit.

Steve, I understand you're scared of doing that. Still, this guy is pretty close to a sure thing, and he fills a void the team needs to fix desperately. I'm willing to roll the dice.

perhaps we could get a decent roll player in return as well.

I don't think that Schenn's contract status limits his trade value in any way.

I didn't make a proposal for Ehrhoff.
- MJL

I was referring to both your post and the following post in one shot

Read and raffl. Flyers need to hang onto those guys like grim death. Just too much versatility in a forward unit without enough of it
- Just5

Raffl has an incredible deal. For what he brings to the table, and the price tag to go along with it, that guy remains in orange no doubt!

My dream lineup would be to trade Vinny and acquire a top line LW...

Vanek/Moulson Giroux Jake
harts/ schenn/ simmer
akeson coots read
raffl laughton hall/rinaldo
- FlyersSteve118

I think Moulson might be a real possibility for the Flyers, not Vanek. I know you spend 10% pas the cap in the summer, but Vanek will command at least 7 million plus Aekson, McGinn, B.Schenn(should the Flyers chose to keep him) all should be re-signed. Plus I would think the Flyers also re-sign Gustafsson and Heater.

I think Moulson might be a real possibility for the Flyers, not Vanek. I know you spend 10% pas the cap in the summer, but Vanek will command at least 7 million plus Aekson, Raffl, B.Schenn(should the Flyers chose to keep him) all should be re-signed. Plus I would think the Flyers also re-sign Gustafsson and Heater.
- tomburton99

Moulson is going to get like 5.5mil or 6mil in UFA too. Might as well spend the 7~7.5 to try and get Vanek. If the cap space opens up to upwards of 71mil like it was estimated than they have a shot, if not gotta go with the cheaper option.