1st + Hagg, sweeten with a second or third if necesary.
- FlyersSteve118

I'd Like Laughton

I'd Like Laughton
- Cheeseballin

yes, you would!

yeah, mjl, VL is still a pretty good player, but I think the whole league watched him slow down a little more this season as it progressed.

I still think he can be a 23-28 goal guy for them next year if put in the right scenario.

still, he's lost a step. That's obvious to everyone, especially GMs
- Hesh_

Not so sure it is obvious. The question is why did he lose a step? He was obviously affected by the back injury. Is this something that is going to be chronic, and affect him going forward. Or is an off season of therapy and strengthening going to get him back to where he was before the injury. That's the question that needs to be answered.

Certainly! But anytime you think of a players back bothering them and they're on the wrong side of 30, its natural to get a little nervous, no?

yeah, mjl, VL is still a pretty good player, but I think the whole league watched him slow down a little more this season as it progressed.

I still think he can be a 23-28 goal guy for them next year if put in the right scenario.

still, he's lost a step. That's obvious to everyone, especially GMs
- Hesh_

A one way 20-25 goal pp specialist forward had no place in this league at 4.5 mil. The flyers I think will find it impossible to move him this year. If he has a better healthy year next year then they could move him when the actual money in the deal goes way down

I think that's pretty realistic, Just5

Sorry. Not trying to troll, but it's gonna affect big market teams. That's why I said I think the Flyers would have a better shot at Moulson if they can sign him for under 6 million.
- tomburton99

I really hope they stay away from the long term deals to 30+ players unless they lose some of the existing ones. This is a young team. There are a lot of wildcards - Couturier, Schenn brothers, Simmonds (his ES play needs to improve). Voracek and Couts will probably get large raises in 2 years. Throw in Laughton and Akeson and the pipeline of young defenders and the earliest we are looking at a serious run is probably 2-3 years down the line. At that time you still have Vinny, Hartnell, Streit, on the books.
I would rather these marquee free agents be brought in on a very careful and selective basis to fill established needs with an eye to how they help towards the ultimate goal and when that is likely to occur rather than just boost regular season numbers. They keep the team 'competitive' but not contending and the cost of that is really better first round picks.

A one way 20-25 goal pp specialist forward had no place in this league at 4.5 mil. The flyers I think will find it impossible to move him this year. If he has a better healthy year next year then they could move him when the actual money in the deal goes way down
- Just5

Is $16.5 over 4 years really too much for a 20 goal scorer in this league anymore? I f the decision is to move on and vinny agrees I think they can find a taker.

who do you guys think our backup goalie is next year? Think Razr hangs out for another season?

Not so sure it is obvious. The question is why did he lose a step? He was obviously affected by the back injury. Is this something that is going to be chronic, and affect him going forward. Or is an off season of therapy and strengthening going to get him back to where he was before the injury. That's the question that needs to be answered.
- MJL

Do you really want to take that gamble? He may still be tradeable this year for a 4rth based on his numbers and the excuse of injury and playing a defensive system. Next year, the current Vinny will be fully exposed and his cap hit will stay the same.

who do you guys think our backup goalie is next year? Think Razr hangs out for another season?
- Hesh_

I doubt he gets a starting position frankly with his hip issues and established lateral movement difficulties. So, its a question of backing up one place or another. I suspect he stays.

Well, it's been real. Nice talkin to y'all. Gotta jet. Have a great rest of the weekend. go flyers

I really hope they stay away from the long term deals to 30+ players unless they lose some of the existing ones. This is a young team. There are a lot of wildcards - Couturier, Schenn brothers, Simmonds (his ES play needs to improve). Voracek and Couts will probably get large raises in 2 years. Throw in Laughton and Akeson and the pipeline of young defenders and the earliest we are looking at a serious run is probably 2-3 years down the line. At that time you still have Vinny, Hartnell, Streit, on the books.
I would rather these marquee free agents be brought in on a very careful and selective basis to fill established needs with an eye to how they help towards the ultimate goal and when that is likely to occur rather than just boost regular season numbers. They keep the team 'competitive' but not contending and the cost of that is really better first round picks.
- PT21

I agree. Well done. I said it before, I'm not going to let the thought of "wasting girouxs prime years" push me into making any hasty UFA signings that would screw our cap down the road. If I were GM

Is $16.5 over 4 years really too much for a 20 goal scorer in this league anymore? I f the decision is to move on and vinny agrees I think they can find a taker.
- jstross

I don't think they can. Yes it's too much when he's terrible at everything else

A one way 20-25 goal pp specialist forward had no place in this league at 4.5 mil. The flyers I think will find it impossible to move him this year. If he has a better healthy year next year then they could move him when the actual money in the deal goes way down
- Just5

A 20-25 goal scorer does have a place in the League. There aren't that many 20 goal scorers to go around. And 4.5M is not a huge cap hit.

very strategic move by Bill to post the BSchenn blog on a day when the #1 Schenn hater is off line.

Do you really want to take that gamble? He may still be tradeable this year for a 4rth based on his numbers and the excuse of injury and playing a defensive system. Next year, the current Vinny will be fully exposed and his cap hit will stay the same.
- PT21

That's the question. I don't have the facts concerning his back. The Flyers have a decision to make with a lot of players. I think the Flyers have a bunch of good players. The question is how do they mesh together. If they're going to keep Lecavalier, then they have to do what they can to maximize his value. Otherwise they should try and move him.

That's the question. I don't have the facts concerning his back. The Flyers have a decision to make with a lot of players. I think the Flyers have a bunch of good players. The question is how do they mesh together. If they're going to keep Lecavalier, then they have to do what they can to maximize his value. Otherwise they should try and move him.
- MJL

I think they move B Schenn if hes not re-signed by draft day and if that happens VL is likely their 2nd line center

I think they move B Schenn if hes not re-signed by draft day and if that happens VL is likely their 2nd line center
- BiggE

I don't know. I really don't think the contract is an issue that would lead him to be traded. I'm not in favor of trading Schenn just to make a spot for Lecavalier.

That's the question. I don't have the facts concerning his back. The Flyers have a decision to make with a lot of players. I think the Flyers have a bunch of good players. The question is how do they mesh together. If they're going to keep Lecavalier, then they have to do what they can to maximize his value. Otherwise they should try and move him.
- MJL

I just don't see how he fits in or could fit in, given the current personnel and coach. The risk of downside is too high. Bundle him and Leier for whatever you can get, hopefully a 4rth/5th.

I think the nature of Hartnell and Vinny were both Laviolette based signings. I think Hartnell will struggle in the current system.

We criticize management for letting the coach go 3 games in, but we should also criticize Homer for not foreseeing the eventuality before awarding these contracts and esp the NMCs.

I just don't see how he fits in or could fit in, given the current personnel and coach. The risk of downside is too high. Bundle him and Leier for whatever you can get, hopefully a 4rth/5th.

I think the nature of Hartnell and Vinny were both Laviolette based signings. I think Hartnell will struggle in the current system.

We criticize management for letting the coach go 3 games in, but we should also criticize Homer for not foreseeing the eventuality before awarding these contracts and esp the NMCs.
- PT21

I think the one big mistake that Holmgren made was not firing Laviolette in the off season. I think that hurt the team. Lecavalier is not the kind of center that Berube likes. But if he's not moved, then they have to do whatever it takes to have the right players around him. I think he needs to play with a play making winger, and he needs to be at center. If the Flyers are not prepared to do that, for whatever reason, then I think they should try and move Lecavalier.
I don't think Hartnell will have a problem playing in Berube's system.

I don't know. I really don't think the contract is an issue that would lead him to be traded. I'm not in favor of trading Schenn just to make a spot for Lecavalier.
- MJL

I agree but I have to wonder if the contract is an issue. If the agent wants to play hardball, well, you never know....

I agree but I have to wonder if the contract is an issue. If the agent wants to play hardball, well, you never know....
- BiggE

maybe they want to see if there are teams willinng to tender him.....then they can decide if they like the number or the picks....or if no one tenders i think it strengthens the flyers negotiating position