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steveromanowski
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.27.2013

May 4 @ 4:55 PM ET
Akeson is not a fast player. He is an average skater.
- MJL


I feel like he would be a better fit the vinny on the line. He has no movement clause and doesn't fit anywhere in the line up, really hurting us but keep the same core of young players try ( key word try) to trim the fat. If vinny wants to get traded could we move him even with his no movement clause? Question is for anyone who can answer lol.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

May 4 @ 5:16 PM ET

- feelingkettle


That's harsh.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 4 @ 5:27 PM ET
I agree but I have to wonder if the contract is an issue. If the agent wants to play hardball, well, you never know....
- BiggE


All the Flyers have to do is make him a Q offer, and they retain his rights. I don't see him as much of a candidate for an OS from another team. So he only has so much leverage. What's he going to do, hold out?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 4 @ 5:30 PM ET
I wish there was at least one area of Schenn's game where you could see some sort of dynamic skill. Something that would make you feel comfortable waiting for the rest of game to come around. But he's just kind of good at most things. Even when he had his scoring stretch this season, there wasn't much of an elevation in his play but he was getting results.

I think if he had it in him to play a more consistent hustle/effort style, he would look like a different player. Maybe he's still getting comfortable at this level, and that will come later... I'm just not sure if his ceiling is number 2 center for a Cup contender, which, doesn't it need to be? I think he is probably redundant at C when you add Laughton to the mix.

Seems like there is the potential for some kind of move at the draft, but I also wouldn't mind re-signing Schenn, and if Laughton, Lecavalier, or even Couturier can show enough in camp to push him to LW, I think the team is better that way too. If he can start thinking the game like a LW, he's probably the best one on the team.

I wouldn't have much interest in packaging Brayden with his brother, unless the return was over the top.

- hobo


This reflects my opinion pretty well.

There does not seem to be that one thing that Brayden Schenn does SOOO very well where it makes it palatable to wait for him to reach his potential as a player.

And I do agree with the prevailing opinion that trading him because he's coming around slowly might be foolish, but so is holding onto him if a good deal presents itself.

Right now, however, he is not a 2nd line center on a contending team.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 4 @ 5:31 PM ET
very strategic move by Bill to post the BSchenn blog on a day when the #1 Schenn hater is off line.


- Marc D

who?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 4 @ 5:33 PM ET
I think they move B Schenn if hes not re-signed by draft day and if that happens VL is likely their 2nd line center
- BiggE


This could well be the case.

I didn't think of the contract thing until I read Bill's blog today.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 5:39 PM ET
I really hope they keep the Schenn brothers. I think they can get younger on the blue line without trading them.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 4 @ 5:39 PM ET
The Flyers drafted Laughton ahead of Mattaa, then proceeded to sign another aging Center in Lecavalier to block Laughton to the NHL. How is this a well thought out plan? The glaring area of need is the back end. Makes zero sense.

Hilarious a few years ago the Hawks game weren't even televised in Chicago, and now they are bordering on becoming a dynasty.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 4 @ 5:42 PM ET
The Flyers drafted Laughton ahead of Mattaa, then proceeded to sign another aging Center in Lecavalier to block Laughton to the NHL. How is this a well thought out plan? The glaring area of need is the back end. Makes zero sense.

Hilarious a few years ago the Hawks game weren't even televised in Chicago, and now they are bordering on becoming a dynasty.

- PLindbergh31


Laughton is not being blocked to the NHL by anybody. And sometimes, players drafted don't pan out. They aren't drafting in a vacuum where every first round pick works out. It's well known that the Flyers do not draft by need, they draft by BPA.
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

May 4 @ 5:43 PM ET
i don't imbibe anymore but i thought of a new drinking game....watch any playoff game and take a drink every time you see someone get away with something you know a flyer would be immediately called for (don't attempt during a bruins game) and then i realized how dangerous it would be
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 5:46 PM ET
Laughton is not being blocked to the NHL by anybody. And sometimes, players drafted don't pan out. They aren't drafting in a vacuum where every first round pick works out. It's well known that the Flyers do not draft by need, they draft by BPA.
- MJL


Best way to draft.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 4 @ 5:50 PM ET
Best way to draft.
- jstross


Depends on the situation. Thursday night in the NFL Draft when the Colts are about to make their selection, if a QB is the highest rated player on their board they should take him?
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 5:51 PM ET
Every prospect or non NHL hockey rankings are from the Fall. Any post season prospect minors seasons updated listings?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 4 @ 5:52 PM ET
Haydn Fleury - Red Deer - 2014 NHL Draft

jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 5:53 PM ET
Depends on the situation. Thursday night in the NFL Draft when the Colts are about to make their selection, if a QB is the highest rated player on their board they should take him?
- PLindbergh31


Tough call, but I'd trade down a spot and accumulate picks. If a QB is that good in rd 1 someone will want that pick. I should add that it matters how close the players are ranked.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 4 @ 5:57 PM ET
Tough call, but I'd trade down a spot and accumulate picks. If a QB is that good in rd 1 someone will want that pick.
- jstross


Exactly. My main point was if you are stacked at a particular position, and there is a position of glaring need where a player can step in and be an immediate contributor it makes sense to go in that direction.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

May 4 @ 6:01 PM ET
id trade bschenn for kesler in a hearbeat
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 6:04 PM ET
Exactly. My main point was if you are stacked at a particular position, and there is a position of glaring need where a player can step in and be an immediate contributor it makes sense to go in that direction.
- PLindbergh31


That really got the Eagles in trouble under the previous regime. They kept chasing need and ended up with a lack of young talent. Now if you have a guy at a position of need on the board rated one slot lower than a a guy at a stacked position then go for it. It gets dicey when you start dropping several slots.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 4 @ 6:05 PM ET
That really got the Eagles in trouble under the previous regime. They kept chasing need and ended up with a lack of young talent. Now if you have a guy at a position of need on the board rated one slot lower than a a guy at a stacked position then go for it. It gets dicey when you start dropping several slots.
- jstross


Generally I think best available is the way to go. We shall see how both players careers progress.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 4 @ 6:05 PM ET
Depends on the situation. Thursday night in the NFL Draft when the Colts are about to make their selection, if a QB is the highest rated player on their board they should take him?
- PLindbergh31


In hockey there are 4 centers, and 6 defenseman, that play in a game. In a football game, a team normally, barring injury, only has one QB play in the game.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

May 4 @ 6:11 PM ET
Haydn Fleury - Red Deer - 2014 NHL Draft


- ob18


If the Flyers take him, will he admit that his name actually as an E in it and he just didn't want to bother before? Maybe he and Raffl can go in on one together
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 4 @ 6:17 PM ET
Every article I read says something different on the conditional Mez pick. As it stands the flyers get the Bruins 2014 3rd rd pick.

If Bruins advance to the next rd and Mez plays the rest of the way that pick turns into a 2014 2nd rd pick.

I get all that, but most of the language on a resigning read like the following:

If he is re-signed before the draft, the Flyers get a second round pick. If re-signed after the draft, Philly gets an additional fourth round pick.

Should there be an additional added in front of second rd pick in this sentence?
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 4 @ 6:18 PM ET
In hockey there are 4 centers, and 6 defenseman, that play in a game. In a football game, a team normally, barring injury, only has one QB play in the game.
- MJL


There have been a couple times where teams have traded up in the draft in order to pick a goalie with the #1 pick, with Fleury and DiPietro. Thats kind of comparable to a QB.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 4 @ 6:20 PM ET
Haydn Fleury - Red Deer - 2014 NHL Draft

- ob18


Think he could slip down to #17?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 4 @ 6:23 PM ET
There have been a couple times where teams have traded up in the draft in order to pick a goalie with the #1 pick, with Fleury and DiPietro. Thats kind of comparable to a QB.
- FlyersSteve118


The one position that would be comparable. But if a team already has a franchise goaltender, they aren't likely to trade up to take another goalie.
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