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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 8 @ 12:12 PM ET
What's scary is how many of the 06-07 Flyers never played in the NHL again.
- Feanor


Philadelphia...Where hockey careers go to die
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 8 @ 12:13 PM ET
What's scary is how many of the 06-07 Flyers never played in the NHL again.
- Feanor

shutupshutupshutupshutup
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 8 @ 12:16 PM ET
You'll note that I used no player names, nor yearly designation.

- AllInForFlyers

You guys obviously don't remember the early 90s.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 8 @ 12:18 PM ET
You guys obviously don't remember the early 90s.
- mayorofangrytown


Darren Rumble to the rescue
Yves Racine
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 8 @ 12:19 PM ET
You guys obviously don't remember the early 90s.
- mayorofangrytown


Ha! Oh, we do. It's just that those teams were just run-of-the-mill bad, for my money.

The Season that Shall Not Be Named was a different beast entirely.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 8 @ 12:19 PM ET
Darren Rumble to the rescue
Yves Racine

- jmatchett383

Hell man... those were some of the better players.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 8 @ 12:19 PM ET
A possibility, but I still think B Schenn is better at center. When he's not with VL and Briere, he's proven to be an average #2 center.
- PhillySportsGuy


Fair enough. But I wonder if taking the pressure off and giving him two guys that can carry the puck would be beneficial -- because Schenn seemed to do some of his better work along the boards and from five feet outside the crease.

I could see him being quite good at finding that soft spot where Hartnell tees up for a one-timer and potting a few more goals.

That would certainly help capwise. Finding a 2nd or 3rd line LW rather than doling out the cash for a top line LW. Furthermore, that might allow Couturier to move up to a 2nd line role with Simmonds and Reid.

Lecavalier could probably be OK on a third line with a Raffl and another speedy type guy.

Just food for thought.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 8 @ 12:19 PM ET
Darren Rumble to the rescue
Yves Racine

- jmatchett383


gary galley, rick nattress!
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 8 @ 12:19 PM ET
A possibility, but I still think B Schenn is better at center. When he's not with VL and Briere, he's proven to be an average #2 center.
- PhillySportsGuy



By moving Hartnell, yes they wuold create a hole but with the way Hextall was talking I feel like it might be one step back next year to go 4 steps forward the next. He knows he has to move some money. Moving Hartnell and Vinny would start the process if possible. I am not saying it is a given but just what I took from it.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 8 @ 12:20 PM ET
Hell man... those were some of the better players.
- mayorofangrytown


johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 8 @ 12:20 PM ET
gary galley, rick nattress!
- hammarby31


Claude Boivin

/drops mic
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 8 @ 12:20 PM ET
By moving Hartnell, yes they wuold create a hole but with the way Hextall was talking I feel like it might be one step back next year to go 4 steps forward the next. He knows he has to move some money. Moving Hartnell and Vinny would start the process if possible. I am not saying it is a given but just what I took from it.
- J35Bacher


if those guys could contribute at their best, they're good players to have. i just don't see it happening.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 8 @ 12:21 PM ET
Claude Boivin

/drops mic

- johndewar



Roman Vopat.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 8 @ 12:21 PM ET
Roman Vopat.
- Moose_15


oh, the huge manatee.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 8 @ 12:22 PM ET
Roman Vopat.
- Moose_15


Dale Kushner
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 12:23 PM ET
Darren Rumble to the rescue
Yves Racine

- jmatchett383



Definitely one of the coolest onomatopoeic hockey names ever... right up there with Jeff Beukeboom, Darroll Powe, Brad Bombardir, Hakan Loob, and Radek Bonk.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 8 @ 12:23 PM ET
Dale Kushner
- johndewar



Mike Manaluk
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 8 @ 12:24 PM ET
Roman Vopat.
- Moose_15


He was a late 90's disaster, not early 90s. Possibly the worst fighter I've ever seen. Made Cote and Vandermeer look like Probert and Grimson.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 8 @ 12:25 PM ET
Mike Manaluk
- Moose_15


Kimbi Daniels
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 8 @ 12:25 PM ET
Mike Manaluk
- Moose_15


Acquired from Chicago for Peter White, correct?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 8 @ 12:25 PM ET
if those guys could contribute at their best, they're good players to have. i just don't see it happening.
- hammarby31



I understand but they aren't getting any younger. Guys don't get better with age. The skills will decline and power forwards as they get older struggle. If you can move him now while he is still productive then it is better then waiting till you can't move him at all
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 8 @ 12:26 PM ET
He was a late 90's disaster, not early 90s. Possibly the worst fighter I've ever seen. Made Cote and Vandermeer look like Probert and Grimson.
- jmatchett383




Riley Cote will always have Andre Roy.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 8 @ 12:27 PM ET
I understand but they aren't getting any younger. Guys don't get better with age. The skills will decline and power forwards as they get older struggle. If you can move him now while he is still productive then it is better then waiting till you can't move him at all
- J35Bacher


Then let's move Giroux before his skills deteriorate while his value's at an all-time high. Hell, Ghost is in his 20's, let's move him for some 18-year-olds. Can't have all of these guys in the lineup that will one day be old.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

May 8 @ 12:28 PM ET
Read's was? Raffl certainly, since he just got here, but I swear this stuff just blurs together at some points. Was Read's extension cut over the summer or during the season?
- AllInForFlyers



http://espn.go.com/nhl/st...4-year-contract-extension
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 8 @ 12:28 PM ET
Acquired from Chicago for Peter White, correct?
- jmatchett383



Which time? Must've been an awkward Boxing day dinner table, with how many times Bob Clarke traded his son-in-law.
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