Man Phaneuf vs. Lecavalier?
Christ this board is glutton for punishment.
- Pixote Andolini

Phaneuf actually fills a pressing need, though. Lecavalier was just another "Ohhhh Shiny!" deal

guess you dont see him giving crosby a facial with his water bottle
- PhillaBully

Ha! I totally didn't pick up on the green in his hand...so many great things happening in that little clip.

Phaneuf actually fills a pressing need, though. Lecavalier was just another "Ohhhh Shiny!" deal
- Jsaquella

Go on.

Go on.
- jmatchett383

We're low on the giant douchebag quotient since Carcillo left.

Yup, that's what I was thinking, too. Of course, had Mason been in for game one, it's a different dynamic.

Not faulting Emery. You can't start back up for three games and expect to be up 2-1 in the playoffs.
- Jsaquella

(frank)ing gibbons

Go on.
- jmatchett383

Scapegoat

Go on.
- jmatchett383

He's a top pair defenseman that can play on the PP & PK, move the puck adequately and provides physicality.

He's not the second coming of Pronger, which is unfortunately how Toronto uses him

(frank)ing gibbons
- PhillySportsGuy

Actually, Jayson Megna

Actually, Jayson Megna
- Jsaquella

Don't get bogged down in details, just hate the Pens. It's easier that way.

He's a top pair defenseman that can play on the PP & PK, move the puck adequately and provides physicality.

He's not the second coming of Pronger, which is unfortunately how Toronto uses him
- Jsaquella

And paid like him, too. He's a top-pair guy who's paid like an elite guy.

Yes, he would fill some needs, but he'd also fill a large part of our cap as well (damn you, Canadian dollar!) I'd prefer a one-year stopgap, even the much-hated Kimmo Timonen if he'd take $3-$4M for one more year, and see if one of Alt/Ghost can punch a ticket into the top-4.

(frank)ing gibbons
- PhillySportsGuy

Megna.

You're flagged.

Also...so, apparently, writers can have bannable words printed in their columns (i.e. "The S Word" in Ryan Wilson's blog today)???

And paid like him, too. He's a top-pair guy who's paid like an elite guy.

Yes, he would fill some needs, but he'd also fill a large part of our cap as well (damn you, Canadian dollar!) I'd prefer a one-year stopgap, even the much-hated Kimmo Timonen if he'd take $3-$4M for one more year, and see if one of Alt/Ghost can punch a ticket into the top-4.
- jmatchett383

There's other routes I'd definitely prefer, but I wouldn't be pissed if they landed Phaneuf, either. The big issue is cost. Leafs won't trade him cheaply and probably won't pick up any cash at all.

I'd definitely prefer Phaneuf at $7mm than Andrew MacDonald at $5mm

Phaneuf at $7m vs. MacDonald at $5m and losing BSchenn + Hagg or some other combination of serious assets.

Flyers should do:

Mark Streit
2016 1st round pick
2014 2nd round pick
2015 2nd round pick
2016 2nd round pick

for

Olli Maata

Worked just fine for me last night on NHL 14.

There's other routes I'd definitely prefer, but I wouldn't be pissed if they landed Phaneuf, either. The big issue is cost. Leafs won't trade him cheaply and probably won't pick up any cash at all.

I'd definitely prefer Phaneuf at $7mm than Andrew MacDonald at $5mm
- Jsaquella

Phaneuf is signed far to long for me to touch that contract. I'd be interested if it was 4-5 years, and if the Leafs were willing to eat about 1.5 mill of his salary.

But 7mill for 7 years? I dont care if they DO take Vinny in that deal, Phaneuf just isn't that good.

Phaneuf at $7m vs. MacDonald at $5m and losing BSchenn + Hagg or some other combination of serious assets.
- Feanor

That's where it breaks down. From a strictly adding Phaneuf angle, he'd help. \

I mean, adding Shea Weber, PK Subban or Sidney Crosby would help too. It depends on the cost. Obviously, if the price for Phaneuf is B.Schenn and a 1st, you walk away.

Phaneuf is signed far to long for me to touch that contract. I'd be interested if it was 4-5 years, and if the Leafs were willing to eat about 1.5 mill of his salary.

But 7mill for 7 years? I dont care if they DO take Vinny in that deal, Phaneuf just isn't that good.
- mochoson

I'd take it, if they took Vinny and his contract, without other assets, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

There's other routes I'd definitely prefer, but I wouldn't be pissed if they landed Phaneuf, either. The big issue is cost. Leafs won't trade him cheaply and probably won't pick up any cash at all.

I'd definitely prefer Phaneuf at $7mm than Andrew MacDonald at $5mm
- Jsaquella

Phaneuf is terribly overrated. He is their #1 Dman but their Defense is horrible.

He is a 2-3 guy. The 7 year term and money is scary. I do not want him. No heart, makes a lot of mistakes, and for 7 years at 7 million. I would rather look elsewhere.

He does take too much heat here in Toronto ( as everyone does) but I could see the Sharks going after him. They want to shake things up and need D help

I'd take it, if they took Vinny and his contract, without other assets, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
- Jsaquella

Absolutely. I'd gladly take the extra years.

I'd take it, if they took Vinny and his contract, without other assets, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
- Jsaquella

John Carlson
Karl Alzner
Jacob Trouba
Dan Hamhuis
Victor Hedman
Alex Pietrangelo
Kevin Shattenkirk
Marc Edourd Vlasic
Paul Martin
Kris Letang
Oliver Ekman Larsson
Keith Yandle
Erik Karlsson
Dan Girardi
Marc Staal
Ryan McDonaugh
Travis Hamonic
Shea Weber
Roman Josi
PK Subban
Josh Gorges
Jonas Brodin
Ryan Suter
Jake Muzzin
Drew Doughty
Slava Voynov
Nicklas Kronwall
Trevor Daley
Erik Johnson
Duncan Keith
Brent Seabrook
Nicklas Hjalmarsson
Justin Faulk
Andrej Sekera
Mark Giordano
TJ Brodie
Tyler Myers
Christian Ehrhoff
Zdeno Chara
Dougie Hamilton
Hampus Lindholm
Cam Fowler
Francois Beauchemin

All guys I would take before Phaneuf if given the choice; players in bold aren't even arguable IMO.

Leafs would have to eat AT LEAST 1.5 if not 2 mill of his salary for me to take on Phaneuf for 7 (frank)ing years. It'd be different if he was 25. He'll be 36 when his deal is done.

Pens/Rags going to game 7? Guess the flyers aren't as horrible as it seemed. Still have obvious needs and lacking in certain areas, but with the right tweaks the team could be much better, very quickly, IMO.

[quote=3flyerkids]

Phaneuf is still seen as that kid who was good for 15+ goals/45+ points who throws Earth-shattering hits in his early years. He's a shadow of the player now.

Phaneuf is still seen as that kid who was good for 15+ goals/45+ points who throws Earth-shattering hits in his early years. He's a shadow of the player now.
- jmatchett383

Bottom line for me is he is paid like an elite player for the foreseeable future, and is nowhere near being an elite defender.

Leafs would have to take Vinny's contract and eat close to 2 mill of Phaneufs, making the salaries close to a wash.

Why they would do that I have NO IDEA, but then again, were talking about the Leafs.

Phaneuf is still seen as that kid who was good for 15+ goals/45+ points who throws Earth-shattering hits in his early years. He's a shadow of the player now.
- jmatchett383

Bottom line for me is he is paid like an elite player for the foreseeable future, and is nowhere near being an elite defender.

Leafs would have to take Vinny's contract and eat close to 2 mill of Phaneufs, making the salaries close to a wash.

Why they would do that I have NO IDEA, but then again, were talking about the Leafs.

[quote=3flyerkids]

Their team defense is horrible. They get outshot badly and get hemmed in their own end. I don't think Phaneuf is helped by that or by being the captain.

I do think he's a legit top pair guy, and a number one defenseman. I don't think he's elite, but he's still good and would easily be the Flyers best defenseman, despite his deficiencies.