I sense you're in angry sarcasm world now
- PhillySportsGuy

I'm partial to people making jokes when people have disorders or diseases they have no control over.

Always good to see some thought out, reasonable post about whether or not a team should look into trading a guy get answered with

"YEAH, LET'S JUST GIVE HIM AWAY!!!!!"

Hartnell is an odd case, because year to year he consistently puts up his 20-25 goal and 50 or so points and plays physical, but in the course of the season he is inconsistent and undisciplined.

If Hartnell is dealt, he could actually have good value. Unlike Lecavalier, who I think will end up being a salary dump, a Hartnell deal would have to be a good hockey deal.
- Jsaquella

That's the point of the "YEAH, LET'S JUST GIVE HIM AWAY!!!!!" post. Some people really do want to just dump him. If you wanna move him, you can probably find 27 suitors who would give you good value.

Stats for every individual line combo and def pair the Flyers used this year:
http://www.broadstreethoc...ations-pairings-2013-2014
- Tomahawk

Raffl is awesome. Every line seems to get better with him on it. Even the top line.

I've only had 1 of those and Carter got traded. It's out of my system I SWEAR! I tend to defend players now...

I just shake my head at the Grossmann hate. I like the guy!
- FlyersGrace

I like the guy, I dislike the one dimensional player he is. He's tough and has grit. But he's slow, well below average with the puck, has average at best hockey sense and bring s almost zero offense at all.

I'd rather be paying a guy like Hjalmarsson $3.5mm than Grossmann

Raffl is awesome. Every line seems to get better with him on it. Even the top line.
- PhillySportsGuy

While I'd agree he was an awesome signing who surprised me with his work effort, skating and board work, he can't finish... He needs to work on his shooting to actually put some of those chances in the net... That and I felt he disappeared in the play-offs a bit...
May have just been me.

I like the guy, I dislike the one dimensional player he is. He's tough and has grit. But he's slow, well below average with the puck, has average at best hockey sense and bring s almost zero offense at all.

I'd rather be paying a guy like Hjalmarsson $3.5mm than Grossmann
- Jsaquella

So would everyone. Hjalmarsson would get more than 3.5M on the open market though.

While I'd agree he was an awesome signing who surprised me with his work effort, skating and board work, he can't finish... He needs to work on his shooting to actually put some of those chances in the net... That and I felt he disappeared in the play-offs a bit...
May have just been me.
- FlyersGrace

He does have some trouble finishing, but he's so good at everything else. If he was a good shooter, he'd be pushing for top line minutes.

He does have some trouble finishing, but he's so good at everything else. If he was a good shooter, he'd be pushing for top line minutes.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree with you there.

That's the point of the "YEAH, LET'S JUST GIVE HIM AWAY!!!!!" post. Some people really do want to just dump him. If you wanna move him, you can probably find 27 suitors who would give you good value.
- jmatchett383

The problem is, as soon as somebody suggests trading a guy-or trading for a guy-it immediately seems to become like that poster is on a vendetta to run a guy out of town or trade the core of the team to get his guy in

I'm partial to people making jokes when people have disorders or diseases they have no control over.
- jmatchett383

Sometimes you just have to take a breath and consider the source.

So would everyone. Hjalmarsson would get more than 3.5M on the open market though.
- PhillySportsGuy

Certainly, which is why they need to hang on to draft pick and make smarter decisions when handing out contracts.

While I'd agree he was an awesome signing who surprised me with his work effort, skating and board work, he can't finish... He needs to work on his shooting to actually put some of those chances in the net... That and I felt he disappeared in the play-offs a bit...
May have just been me.
- FlyersGrace

I think if you surround him with guys that can finish, that would work also. For whatever reason, Raffl's just good at helping to generate offensive attack time.

I've only had 1 of those and Carter got traded. It's out of my system I SWEAR! I tend to defend players now...

I just shake my head at the Grossmann hate. I like the guy!
- FlyersGrace

I hear you. Grossmann being hated for one bad January is not justified.

I haven't really hated a player since Randy Jones, Kyle Calder and Freddy Myer.

I didn't like Matt Carle's game but I did recognize his perfect fit on this team. Coburn, Meszaros, Carle and Grossmann were all reasonably young when first getting here and maybe in their primes.

I didn't hate Denis Telpeko, Andreas Nodl or Mika Pyorela but I always had concerns about how their games would translate to the NHL. I have the same concerns as Michael Raffl.

Certainly, which is why they need to hang on to draft pick and make smarter decisions when handing out contracts.
- Jsaquella

We need to make it rain on Niskanen!!!!

Stats for every individual line combo and def pair the Flyers used this year:
http://www.broadstreethoc...ations-pairings-2013-2014
- Tomahawk

I hope to see more of the MacDonald/Streit combo next season.

Stats for every individual line combo and def pair the Flyers used this year:
http://www.broadstreethoc...ations-pairings-2013-2014
- Tomahawk

I am going to read this link, but I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that this will not be flattering for one Vincent Lecavalier.

I hope to see more of the MacDonald/Streit combo next season.
- Feanor

I hope we never see Schenn/Grossmann ever again, for as long as we all shall live.

I hear you. Grossmann being hated for one bad January is not justified.

I haven't really hated a player since Randy Jones, Kyle Calder and Freddy Myer.

I didn't like Matt Carle's game but I did recognize his perfect fit on this team. Coburn, Meszaros, Carle and Grossmann were all reasonably young when first getting here and maybe in their primes.

I didn't hate Denis Telpeko, Andreas Nodl or Mika Pyorela but I always had concerns about how their games would translate to the NHL. I have the same concerns as Michael Raffl.
- SuperSchennBros

I openly despised Mike York when he played here.

I hope we never see Schenn/Grossmann ever again, for as long as we all shall live.
- Tomahawk

Unless they're pushing a disabled Zamboni off the ice, they should never be on the ice together

If not for Lecavalier, Hartnell would be the one deal I'd like to see them move most.

It's not because of his play, per se, but the length and NMC. Hartnell is what he is. He's going to score you 20-25 goals. he's going to help on the PP. He will provide physicality and hard work most nights.

He's also going to be undisciplined, taking bad penalties and making questionable decisions. He's not going to help much on defense and he's not going to be on the PK.

He does usually end up producing where ever he is used, though. I just don't like the years and stifling movement clause.
- Jsaquella

I'm concerned w/Hartnell going forward as skating becomes more and more emphasized. He clearly doesn't transition well and the battles he does win you along the walls, he often will give puck away w/low percentage play.

I hope to see more of the MacDonald/Streit combo next season.
- Feanor

I hope to see MacDonald in another teams sweater.

I am going to read this link, but I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that this will not be flattering for one Vincent Lecavalier.
- johndewar

You predict correctly... even in those odd times when he's out with 19/28 and 28/93, he manages to drag them down as well. It's absurd.

I hear you. Grossmann being hated for one bad January is not justified.

I haven't really hated a player since Randy Jones, Kyle Calder and Freddy Myer.

I didn't like Matt Carle's game but I did recognize his perfect fit on this team. Coburn, Meszaros, Carle and Grossmann were all reasonably young when first getting here and maybe in their primes.

I didn't hate Denis Telpeko, Andreas Nodl or Mika Pyorela but I always had concerns about how their games would translate to the NHL. I have the same concerns as Michael Raffl.
- SuperSchennBros

In my case, my dislike of Grossmann was driven by more than one January. The only Flyers I have ever hated are Billy Tibbetts, Ulf Samuelsson, Randy Holt & Kevin Stevens.

I don't hate Grossmann, I dislike his game. I don't hate Vinny, I hate that he's so limited that he can't shift to wing or adapt his game to fit better on the roster. I don't hate Rinaldo, I just wish he could learn some discipline and not give the refs an easy out when he gets a rep penalty

Sometimes you just have to take a breath and consider the source.
- bodiva88

Sorry, it's on my list of, "Things you do to prove you are a complete scumbag" list. I'll move along, though.

I like the guy, I dislike the one dimensional player he is. He's tough and has grit. But he's slow, well below average with the puck, has average at best hockey sense and bring s almost zero offense at all.

I'd rather be paying a guy like Hjalmarsson $3.5mm than Grossmann
- Jsaquella

I'd rather pay Shea Weber $7.5M than pay Grossmann $2M. But that wasn't an option.