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funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 16 @ 9:28 AM ET
And FWIW, it's not out of the realm of possibility that, not only will he see more ice time, but he might even make more money.
- johndewar


Yup, it's extremely possible.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 16 @ 9:28 AM ET
How much ice time does he need? You play with what yuor given. If h showed enough to the Flyers they would have made an offer for him to stay. You have to make the most of your chance and he didn't. Mason only had 7 gaesat the end of last year to make his chance. He played well in camp and ook wht happened. If he didn't play well he would have been sitting behind emery
- J35Bacher


Two words: Andrej Meszaros. He was making an inordinate amount of money and he HAD to play so they could try to dump him (as they did).

Also, defensemen need ice time to develop. It's simple. He wasn't getting it here.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 16 @ 9:29 AM ET
For him, right now, it is the better option.

He needs consistent ice time even to give other teams something to see. The 29 other teams did not exactly see a full body of work at the NHL level in order to make a judgement on the guy.

- johndewar

Some guys only get a few games to show what you've got and you have to make the best of it or it can pass you by. Not many places in this world where you get repeated looks until you finally pan out to where people hoped you'd be
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 16 @ 9:30 AM ET
And if he looks ready later, give him another shroud. Right now he looks like an average player to me. You can sit on either side the fence, but I don't think it changes what he is right now. I'm not ruling out his potential, just that it doesn't pain me to see him go, especially if hextall has a plan for the defense.
- funmaster18


I do understand what you're saying, as well, but the history of the NHL, of pro sports, just means that taking the word of scouts just...it's fraught with peril.

They're just not right nearly as much as people want to believe. They're just not, in any sport. They are extremely dedicated, they work hard, they have a thankless job, in some respects.

But man. The history of pro sports is littered with guys who don't get a shot with one team because the consensus is that the guy couldn't play, and then that very guy goes on to become a player. Happens all the time, in all the sports.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 16 @ 9:30 AM ET
I'm not anti gusty by any means. I thought he was a nice player that maybe could continue to get better, I'm just not up in arms that he's no longer with the team.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 16 @ 9:30 AM ET
Two words: Andrej Meszaros. He was making an inordinate amount of money and he HAD to play so they could try to dump him (as they did).

Also, defensemen need ice time to develop. It's simple. He wasn't getting it here.

- johndewar


I thought that is what the AHL is for? If we want to develop players then just let Ghost play as he brings more then Gus.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
I thought that is what the AHL is for? If we want to develop players then just let Ghost play as he brings more then Gus.
- J35Bacher


Who knows why they didn't plant Gus down there some more?
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
I do understand what you're saying, as well, but the history of the NHL, of pro sports, just means that taking the word of scouts just...it's fraught with peril.

They're just not right nearly as much as people want to believe. They're just not, in any sport. They are extremely dedicated, they work hard, they have a thankless job, in some respects.

But man. The history of pro sports is littered with guys who don't get a shot with one team because the consensus is that the guy couldn't play, and then that very guy goes on to become a player. Happens all the time, in all the sports.

- AllInForFlyers


And hey, I agree, can't take a scout's word that sees a guy once in a while as gospel. The scouts are not what I'm basing my opinions off of. In fact, there are probably way more instances where scouts are wrong than right
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
I'm not anti gusty by any means. I thought he was a nice player that maybe could continue to get better, I'm just not up in arms that he's no longer with the team.
- funmaster18


I'm not upset, but I do think he was mishandled here.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 16 @ 9:33 AM ET
I'm not anti gusty by any means. I thought he was a nice player that maybe could continue to get better, I'm just not up in arms that he's no longer with the team.
- funmaster18



Plus it opens a contract spot and gives the flyers a little flexibility. Put it this way. If Gus had value other teams would have tried to get him when he was sitting. They would have tried to buy low on him banking on his so called potential. I think that says a lot.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 16 @ 9:33 AM ET
Who knows why they didn't plant Gus down there some more?
- johndewar


He had a one way contract and would not have cleared waivers.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 16 @ 9:41 AM ET
Would all agree this is a good scouting report for Gus?

Scouting Report



Assets:

Is extremely smart, both with and without the biscuit. Moves the puck swiftly and effortlessly out of the defensive zone. Has plenty of offensive acumen (and experience) at lower levels.



Flaws:

Isn't physical enough at the highest level, and also doesn't make up for it with point production in the NHL. Won't ever be able to dominate in the big league the way he did in major junior hockey.



Career Potential:

Veteran journeyman depth defenseman.
Sms401
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kenmore , NY
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 16 @ 9:43 AM ET
From Gus to ghost.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 16 @ 9:47 AM ET
WOOF -- TSN just alerted that the Pens gave the prison-yard shiv to Shero and Bylsma, per Bob McKenzie

Let the games begin
Sms401
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kenmore , NY
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 16 @ 9:49 AM ET
WOOF -- TSN just alerted that the Pens gave the prison-yard shiv to Shero and Bylsma, per Bob McKenzie

Let the games begin

- AllInForFlyers

Shero is out too??? Wow
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 16 @ 9:49 AM ET
WOOF -- TSN just alerted that the Pens gave the prison-yard shiv to Shero and Bylsma, per Bob McKenzie

Let the games begin

- AllInForFlyers


Let the bodies hit the floor!
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 16 @ 9:52 AM ET
Let the bodies hit the floor!

- BiggE


Man, they are pissed off in Pittsburgh -- they even took the 24/48 hour cooling off period and still put the hit out on Shero
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
Man, they are pissed off in Pittsburgh -- they even took the 24/48 hour cooling off period and still put the hit out on Shero
- AllInForFlyers


Mario is an angry panda!
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 16 @ 9:56 AM ET
HAHA. How quickly we moved on from Gus.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 16 @ 9:56 AM ET
Mario is an angry panda!
- BiggE


I don't revel in the misery of others -- OK, wait a minute, yeah I do, when it comes to that team and a few others -- but I did think that Shero was gonna survive it.


AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 16 @ 9:58 AM ET
HAHA. How quickly we moved on from Gus.
- J35Bacher


Ha! Perhaps contrary to popular belief, but I'd much rather debate multiple topics over the course of the day rather than slap-fight about one all day
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 16 @ 9:59 AM ET
Then why has he fled to Russia?
- funmaster18


He was working with Snowden
CVac11
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New Eagle, PA
Joined: 08.08.2010

May 16 @ 10:00 AM ET
Hearing both Bylsma and Shero are gone in Pit. Flyers still need an Asst. GM. Ray Shero anyone? Flyer ties are there obviously.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

May 16 @ 10:01 AM ET
Who's going to tap dance on Hextall's skull now?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 16 @ 10:02 AM ET
Hearing both Bylsma and Shero are gone in Pit. Flyers still need an Asst. GM. Ray Shero anyone? Flyer ties are there obviously.
- CVac11



I suggested that the other day too. Maybe if he doesn't get a shot somewhere else but I think someone will make the call.
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