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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 17 @ 3:52 PM ET
floodgates for nash.
- hammarby31

Did not see the game.
Was Price awful?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 17 @ 4:01 PM ET
I remember when Drew Doughty was expected to be the next big thing. Drew Doughty is pretty awesome but Subban has dwarfed Doughty in a very short time. Subban is F*ckin' awsome! Its very rare that a defenseman can find a way to dominate a game pretty consistently.
- SuperSchennBros

I would be ecstatic if either guy was a Flyer (before the age of 35).
I would take Doughty over Subban though.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 17 @ 4:34 PM ET
Did not see the game.
Was Price awful?

- Marc D


The price was wrong today

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 17 @ 4:41 PM ET
I would be ecstatic if either guy was a Flyer (before the age of 35).
I would take Doughty over Subban though.

- Marc D


I would take Doughty too. He would have more points if he played in a more up tempo system. The Kings PP was pretty bad too. Part of it could be his fault, so I can't really give him a pass in that department.

I think he's worlds ahead of Subban defensively though.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 17 @ 4:43 PM ET
Did not see the game.
Was Price awful?

- Marc D

please explain your location
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 17 @ 4:47 PM ET
I would be ecstatic if either guy was a Flyer (before the age of 35).
I would take Doughty over Subban though.

- Marc D


I feel Subban pressures himself to make something happen (and he can), which at times works against him. I would say Doughty has the support Subban doesn't. I think it's safe to say that on the big stage, Subban has been the Habs best player and has been in years past as well. I don't think either system both players play under hold them back from anything.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 17 @ 4:51 PM ET
Dan Boyle not coming back to the Sharks.

Interested?

- KGBflyers10

No more granpas!
Definitely not interested.
Like at all.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 17 @ 5:27 PM ET
No more granpas!
Definitely not interested.
Like at all.

- Pixote Andolini

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 17 @ 5:33 PM ET
Game 2 of the Memorial Cup (Guelph vs. Edmonton) will be shown on tape delay on the NHL network at 7:30
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 17 @ 5:39 PM ET
Dan Boyle not coming back to the Sharks.

Interested?

- KGBflyers10


Maybe as a short term solution, 1-2 years at a lower rate. Not much out there in terms of Dmen.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 17 @ 5:45 PM ET
Read some interesting things today...

First off while Pitkanen was a great D-man in his prime it's been what? Four years since he played a full season? If Carolina doesn't resign him at a discount (He owes them), Kimmo retires and he's willing to sign a one year CHEAP it may be worth the risk but I agree with some of the other replies that I'd rather see one of the Phantom D-men get a chance. It's to bad about Gus, guy was never going to be a star but playing him all year this year would have given Ghost, Hagg, Morin and Alt another year to develop... and answered the question once and for all if he was an NHLer. Anyway I think I'd like to see Manning get a shot, he played well in Philly two seasons ago and with those kids coming up it could be some motivation for him to live up to his potential.

Akeson also deserves a shot but he won't be playing fourth line minutes. I'd like to see the lines next year like this:

S.Laughton- Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Akeson-Courturier-Read
Raffl-Hall-Rinaldo

Kimmo-Coburn
AMac-Schenn
Manning-Grossman

Mason
Emery

Vinny experiment wasn't successful. Send hem to Nashville, Phoenix, Florida...convince him to waive. Nice guy but come on, didn't work out. I'm also not convinced a twenty-goal scorer in a bad year who once captained a Stanley Cup winning team isn't wanted. Why wouldn't Florida want him? Wasn't Upshall their second highest point producer with 38?!Plus he already played in Tampa.
Try out Laughton at wing with Giroux, he shoots left and the kid may surprise everyone and win the Calder. Raffl was Ok. He would slide up in case of injuries. Akeson was great in the playoffs.

- Slipperypickle


Laughton has never played a full season in the NHL and you want to throw him on the 1st line? That has fail written all over it. You are are better off with this

Raffl- Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Akeson-Courturier-Read
Rinaldo-Halpern-Hall

Streit-Coburn
AMac-Schenn
Kimmo-Grossman

Mason
Emery

Let Laughton play a full season in the minors and adjust to playing at a higher level instead of throwing him into the fire. Young Dmen have to prove they are ready for the big leagues before you play them until then they are reserves.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 17 @ 6:05 PM ET
Laughton has never played a full season in the NHL and you want to throw him on the 1st line? That has fail written all over it. You are are better off with this

Raffl- Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Akeson-Courturier-Read
Rinaldo-Halpern-Hall

Streit-Coburn
AMac-Schenn
Kimmo-Grossman

Mason
Emery

Let Laughton play a full season in the minors and adjust to playing at a higher level instead of throwing him into the fire. Young Dmen have to prove they are ready for the big leagues before you play them until then they are reserves.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I agree Laughton shouldn't be on the first line, especially not on the wing. The Flyers have stated many times they plan to keep him at center. I do believe he should play at any point next season when proven ready but possibly start with the Phantoms.

At the same time, I feel Kimmo Timonen is a player it's time to wall away from due to his age, 6 million dollar price tag, resting him at times during the regular season and the fact that I thought he was single handedly our worst player in the playoffs among bad players. Should Kimmo Timonen return though, keep the pairs as they've been.

Raffl I feel is massively overrated for his time spent on the first line. He's not a bad player but there have been some who believe Raffl turned around Giroux's season, which I think is crazy.

As for Jason Akenson. I think we just get that much younger and that much more inexperienced byadding him to the full time roster. He played pretty well offensive and trying to create offense but I wasn't overly impressed. I felt like he was man handedly way too often. I like the attempts to block shots from the point but I didn't like his inability to react fast in any situation away from scoring a goal.

Last, where is Jeff Halpern right now? I don't see the need for him if Adam Hall returns. Hey, let's pick up Glen Metropolit!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 17 @ 6:21 PM ET
I am wondering what Tye McGinn's future holds with the Flyers.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 17 @ 6:33 PM ET
The Rangers are so totally going to win the Stanley Cup.
Slipperypickle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Joined: 07.24.2011

May 17 @ 6:49 PM ET
You high? Laughton has never played a full season in the NHL and you want to throw him on the 1st line? That has fail written all over it. You are are better off with this

Raffl- Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Akeson-Courturier-Read
Rinaldo-Halpern-Hall

Streit-Coburn
AMac-Schenn
Kimmo-Grossman

Mason
Emery


Let Laughton play a full season in the minors and adjust to playing at a higher level instead of throwing him into the fire. Young Dmen have to prove they are ready for the big leagues before you play them until then they are reserves.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Ya, no kids ever come out of the OHL and jumped right into the NHL. What was I thinking?

Most kids who need seasoning in the AHL lack defensive awareness. Not so with Laughton, kids a beast. Meanwhile Boone Jenner, a career center for the same Oshawa Generals as Laughton the year before, went to Columbus and played on their top line as a left winger this year and had a hell of a rookie year. Laughton and Jenner are even similar players. Jaden Schwartz also transitioned well from Center to top line wing in St. Louis. But whatever, that's why they have training camp and preseason.

Totally forgot about Streit, he should obviously be partnered with Grossman.

I don't know what you saw in Raffl that makes you think he's a first line left wing. Would rather keep Hartnell there.

As for Halpern? Now whose high?

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 17 @ 7:17 PM ET
youre both extremely high
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 17 @ 7:31 PM ET
4/20 blayzit
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 17 @ 7:48 PM ET
youre both extremely high
- Crimsoninja

You say that likes its a bad thing
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 17 @ 7:49 PM ET
So what type of contract would land Raymond?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 17 @ 8:36 PM ET
Ya, no kids ever come out of the OHL and jumped right into the NHL. What was I thinking?

Most kids who need seasoning in the AHL lack defensive awareness. Not so with Laughton, kids a beast. Meanwhile Boone Jenner, a career center for the same Oshawa Generals as Laughton the year before, went to Columbus and played on their top line as a left winger this year and had a hell of a rookie year. Laughton and Jenner are even similar players. Jaden Schwartz also transitioned well from Center to top line wing in St. Louis. But whatever, that's why they have training camp and preseason.

Totally forgot about Streit, he should obviously be partnered with Grossman.

I don't know what you saw in Raffl that makes you think he's a first line left wing. Would rather keep Hartnell there.

As for Halpern? Now whose high?

- Slipperypickle


Raffl played great, he has good hands, he's good skater, wins puck battle along the boards and he is consistent (Hartnell is only good at puck battles and forecheck when he plays well which is inconsistently). The one area he needs to improve is finishing but he showed a lot of promise last season. Halpern is a 4th liner, makes the league minimum and can play well defensively. Laughton has to go down to the minors because he was playing OHL talent not NHL talent. The skill level is much higher than he is accustomed too and the mistake tolerance is a lot lower as well.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 17 @ 8:37 PM ET
I am wondering what Tye McGinn's future holds with the Flyers.
- SuperSchennBros


I see him as a Career minor leaguer maybe a guy who can make the 4th line of an NHL team. He isn't that good.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

May 17 @ 8:39 PM ET
Raffl played great, he has good hands, he's good skater, wins puck battle along the boards and he is consistent (Hartnell is only good at puck battles and forecheck when he plays well which is inconsistently). The one area he needs to improve is finishing but he showed a lot of promise last season. Halpern is a 4th liner, makes the league minimum and can play well defensively. Laughton has to go down to the minors because he was playing OHL talent not NHL talent. The skill level is much higher than he is accustomed too and the mistake tolerance is a lot lower as well.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Why is it so black and white? Are you saying Laughton doesn't even deserve to get a shot?

If you are, that's a little asinine.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 17 @ 9:07 PM ET
Raffl played great, he has good hands, he's good skater, wins puck battle along the boards and he is consistent (Hartnell is only good at puck battles and forecheck when he plays well which is inconsistently). The one area he needs to improve is finishing but he showed a lot of promise last season. Halpern is a 4th liner, makes the league minimum and can play well defensively. Laughton has to go down to the minors because he was playing OHL talent not NHL talent. The skill level is much higher than he is accustomed too and the mistake tolerance is a lot lower as well.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I think we need to see how Laughton performs in camp before you write him off for a year. I really like Raffl. If he get's some accuracy on his shot, he will really be an asset.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 17 @ 9:46 PM ET
I feel Subban pressures himself to make something happen (and he can), which at times works against him. I would say Doughty has the support Subban doesn't. I think it's safe to say that on the big stage, Subban has been the Habs best player and has been in years past as well. I don't think either system both players play under hold them back from anything.
- SuperSchennBros

I think Doughty is LA's best player although anyone saying Kopitar would be right also.
I never said anything about systems holding either one back.
I'd be so happy with either player, slight edge to Doughty.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

May 17 @ 10:04 PM ET
"...like the drink, only, not spelled the same..."
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