Why are Flyers trying to dump Viny?
- VANTEL

Because he was bad overall as a player and doesn't fit in the system that the coach is trying to run.

Every single line Lecavalier played on saw their possession numbers drop with Vinny on their line. His lines were outshot and outchanced, despite the Flyers going out of their way to shield him and give him far more starts in the offensive zone than the defensive zone.

Bottom line is, he's just not a fit. He can't play wing effectively, and the Flyers have two good, young NHL caliber centers that need ice time and opportunity. He doesn't skate very well and he also isn't a very good two way player.

exactly, and as i said just a minute ago - point production is roughly the same with far fewer penalty minutes. same age. same height. almost same weight. i'd do it.
- hammarby31

I'd prefer moving Vinny for him, but I'd be open to a Hartnell swap, too

Why are Flyers trying to dump Viny?
- VANTEL

dumpers gonna' dump.

he was a bad fit last year, despite the 20 goals, especially after the back injury. he slowed everyone down, got dropped to 4th line, was terrible defensively, can't hang onto the puck along the wall, doesn't set anyone up really, has become a slow skater....his only real value was one-timers on the pp, which is not enough for this contract. that's why.

dumpers gonna' dump.

he was a bad fit last year, despite the 20 goals, especially after the back injury. he slowed everyone down, got dropped to 4th line, was terrible defensively, can't hang onto the puck along the wall, doesn't set anyone up really, has become a slow skater....his only real value was one-timers on the pp, which is not enough for this contract. that's why.
- hammarby31

I need your gift for brevity

Another deal that may get rid of Vinnys contract is to Vancouver if he would waive.

Vancouver is looking for a 2 nd line center and you are looking to dump Vinnys contract. David Booth numbers were terrible last year but he was injured and the last third of the season was one of our best forwards LHF. He has one year left at 4.2 .

I'd prefer moving Vinny for him, but I'd be open to a Hartnell swap, too
- Jsaquella

that helps in getting the center log jam dealt with if they moved vinny, so i'd be fine with that as well, even though my morbid curiosity wants to give him another year.

Another deal that may get rid of Vinnys contract is to Vancouver if he would waive.

Vancouver is looking for a 2 nd line center and you are looking to dump Vinnys contract. David Booth numbers were terrible last year but he was injured and the last third of the season was one of our best forwards LHF. He has one year left at 4.2 .
- VANTEL

Done and done. Ship him over.

I need your gift for brevity
- Jsaquella

i can be a wind bag, believe you me. vinny's not one to get that out of me though. the other reason was that i KNEW you would be all over this and provide more detail.

Because he was bad overall as a player and doesn't fit in the system that the coach is trying to run.

Every single line Lecavalier played on saw their possession numbers drop with Vinny on their line. His lines were outshot and outchanced, despite the Flyers going out of their way to shield him and give him far more starts in the offensive zone than the defensive zone.

Bottom line is, he's just not a fit. He can't play wing effectively, and the Flyers have two good, young NHL caliber centers that need ice time and opportunity. He doesn't skate very well and he also isn't a very good two way player.
- Jsaquella

Other then this he was terrific

Done and done. Ship him over.
- Jsaquella

he's never really recoverd after the richards hit maybe? i'm just guessing....haven't looked at his numbers.

Another deal that may get rid of Vinnys contract is to Vancouver if he would waive.

Vancouver is looking for a 2 nd line center and you are looking to dump Vinnys contract. David Booth numbers were terrible last year but he was injured and the last third of the season was one of our best forwards LHF. He has one year left at 4.2 .
- VANTEL

did booth take shoot outs for Van last season?
Flyers could use someone there

Other then this he was terrific


- Marc D

this is like when my clients say "i love everything about it except for the colors, fonts, and the image".

did booth take shoot outs for Van last season?
Flyers could use someone there
- Marc D

You would be better off picking up a pee wee hockey player than a Canuck for a shoot out. We honestly are the worst when it comes to SO.

You would be better off picking up a pee wee hockey player than a Canuck for a shoot out. We honestly are the worst when it comes to SO.
- VANTEL

no. no you're not.

this is like when my clients say "i love everything about it except for the colors, fonts, and the image".
- hammarby31

When the Flyers had possession in the offensive zone and Vinnie could set up he is still effective, his shot is still top notch

When the game is in transition and on defense he was bad

Maybe on a team better at possession he would thrive
Van might be a fit except I don't think he wants to play out west?

no. no you're not.
- hammarby31

Another deal that may get rid of Vinnys contract is to Vancouver if he would waive.

Vancouver is looking for a 2 nd line center and you are looking to dump Vinnys contract. David Booth numbers were terrible last year but he was injured and the last third of the season was one of our best forwards LHF. He has one year left at 4.2 .
- VANTEL

Canucks have Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kestler, why would they shop for a second line center? Why would Lecavalier waive his no trade to go there and why would the Canucks want him?

Canucks have Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kestler, why would they shop for a second line center?
- SuperSchennBros

Rumour has it they are shopping Kesler.

no. no you're not.
- hammarby31

NJ was worse then the Flyers this year which is mind boggling bad

Rumour has it they are shopping Kesler.
- VANTEL

So give up Kestler, gain Lecavalier? To me it doesn't make sense.

So give up Kestler, gain Lecavalier? To me it doesn't make sense.
- SuperSchennBros

No they want to get younger. They are hoping for a player a pick and a prospect for Kesler. we are going nowhere this year so it is time to get younger.

I know Viny is old ,but if he can fill Keslers roll for two years while our prospects develop then that's what we need to do.

OH MY GAWD SPELL THE MAN'S NAME RIGHT

IT'S NOT KESSLER
IT'S NOT KESTLER
IT'S KESLER

jfc

- VANTEL

it's true. carolina is the worst all time. the flyers are 2nd worst. it's excruciating. vancouver appears to be 17th on the list.

Edm: Sean couturier + van 2nd rounder

Van: 3rd overall + phil 1st

Phil: kesler + gernat

Thoughts?

I know Philly prefers to give up schenn first but I wouldn't put up a lottery Pick for schenn.

NJ was worse then the Flyers this year which is mind boggling bad
- Marc D

0-12. they missed the playoffs because they sucked so badly at it. all-time hower, nj is near the top.