I'm looking forward to the 2yr 11M deal for Dan Boyle though

moving on
- Marc D

please, oh please.

although maybe im just buying into the rhetoric, but i dont think hexy entertains that notion.

sorry dude, i just see a stamkos/vinny analogy as far too strained to have a lot of merit.

for the record, i dont think he is total garbage. but that contract is.
- stayinthefnnet

his contract is anything but garbage
vinny can still be a great player would you rather be paying 6 mil + for someone like no show joe or 5+ mil for clarkson?
i'll settle for vinny at 4.5 mil any time
oh and i'd take vinny at 4.5 over briere at 4.0 any time

I'm looking forward to the 2yr 11M deal for Dan Boyle though

moving on
- Marc D

a 2 year bridge with boyle wouldn't be bad but it wasn't have me excited either

his contract is anything but garbage
vinny can still be a great player would you rather be paying 6 mil + for someone like no show joe or 5+ mil for clarkson?
i'll settle for vinny at 4.5 mil any time
oh and i'd take vinny at 4.5 over briere at 4.0 any time
- 2Real

Anyone who would take VL over Joe Thornton is out of their mind.

You have to look at the length of the deal too. VL is signed for four more years. Briere has one more year left on his deal.

No one wants Clarkson. That was just an awful deal

Anyone who would take VL over Joe Thornton is out of their mind.

You have to look at the length of the deal too. VL is signed for four more years. Briere has one more year left on his deal.

No one wants Clarkson. That was just an awful deal
- PhillySportsGuy

good luck with this

Anyone who would take VL over Joe Thornton is out of their mind.

You have to look at the length of the deal too. VL is signed for four more years. Briere has one more year left on his deal.

No one wants Clarkson. That was just an awful deal
- PhillySportsGuy

a team that has giroux as the #1 center wouldn't want joe thornton

a 2 year bridge with boyle wouldn't be bad but it wasn't have me excited either
- 2Real

I would rather have Kimmo back for 1 year or Willie Mitchell before Boyle. If they are going to go old on the blueline, I would rather have the dman being signed year to year, which would give them flexibility if one or more of the youngsters really makes a significant leap during training camp or the regular season.

a team that has giroux as the #1 center wouldn't want joe thornton
- 2Real

Then why would we want VL?

I would rather have Kimmo back for 1 year or Willie Mitchell before Boyle. If they are going to go old on the blueline, I would rather have the dman being signed year to year, which would give them flexibility if one or more of the youngsters really makes a significant leap during training camp or the regular season.
- ravishingone

the problem we have is we're either too young or too old counting timonen in the mix or we have a mix of 4-6 dmen

Then why would we want VL?
- PhillySportsGuy

because he's more of a 2nd/3rd liner at this point

because he's more of a 2nd/3rd liner at this point
- 2Real

So you'd rather have a 2nd/3rd liner than a second top line center?

8 pages were vinnie free

not bad people, not bad at all
- Marc D

So you'd rather have a 2nd/3rd liner than a second top line center?
- PhillySportsGuy

sure go ahead and pay giroux 8+ mil and joe thronton at 30+ 6-7 mil

his contract is anything but garbage
vinny can still be a great player would you rather be paying 6 mil + for someone like no show joe or 5+ mil for clarkson?
i'll settle for vinny at 4.5 mil any time
oh and i'd take vinny at 4.5 over briere at 4.0 any time
- 2Real

trotting out other garbage contracts does not improve VLs. if your market comparison is clarksons, then yes, it is a garbage deal.

a major issue i have with evaluating VLs deal isnt just the 4.5 number, but the term length as well.

and while i dont think he is a total dud, i dont think he can legitimately be considered a "great" player anymore.

a team that has giroux as the #1 center wouldn't want joe thornton
- 2Real

Ignoring his cap hit I would take Thornton as a 2nd line Center in a heartbeat. That dude playing with Simmonds?

the problem we have is we're either too young or too old counting timonen in the mix or we have a mix of 4-6 dmen
- 2Real

We'll see what Hexy does, but he does come from an organization who almost to a fault sat on their hands and relied on their young kids to develop (Kopitar, Brown, Quick, Johnson, Doughty). It is easy to forget before their Cup run, the Kings got run out of the playoffs a few years in a row, and there was doubt whether Quick was an elite goalie.

I believe they hope at least 2 of the top 3 prospects are legit top 4 d-men. Also, I expect Berube to rely a lot on MacDonald to play 22 minutes a night in all situations probably with Coburn.

Need to make changes now to win cup in the next year/2/3.
Support youth movement and building from within.
Dump salary now to have room later.
Addition by subtraction.
No fit for Vinny.
Vinny is old and declining.
Someone will take him.
Vinny can't skate anymore.

Did I miss anything? Ok. Next topic.

Edit: But, he scored 20 goals.
- FlyersSteve118

so we are in the midst of another 5 year rebuild

Anyone who would take VL over Joe Thornton is out of their mind.

You have to look at the length of the deal too. VL is signed for four more years. Briere has one more year left on his deal.

No one wants Clarkson. That was just an awful deal
- PhillySportsGuy

exactly. this isnt just me being a pens fan saying bahaha lets bash a flyers signing. but i just see how its possible to paint it in a positive brush. there are far too many negatives, and far too many things that need to go correctly for far too long a period of time.

trotting out other garbage contracts does not improve VLs. if your market comparison is clarksons, then yes, it is a garbage deal.

a major issue i have with evaluating VLs deal isnt just the 4.5 number, but the term length as well.

and while i dont think he is a total dud, i dont think he can legitimately be considered a "great" player anymore.
- stayinthefnnet

4.5 mil a lot for a player that put up 37 points while playing with a back injury and brings a lot of experience to an inexperienced team? yea ok

sure go ahead and pay giroux 8+ mil and joe thronton at 30+ 6-7 mil
- 2Real

you can make all of the playoff jokes you want, and their level of merit is a subject of a different debate.

but i have absolutely 0 reservations whatsoever about saying that thornton will get 75 points next year. can the same be said about VL and say, 60?

We'll see what Hexy does, but he does come from an organization who almost to a fault sat on their hands and relied on their young kids to develop (Kopitar, Brown, Quick, Johnson, Doughty). It is easy to forget before their Cup run, the Kings got run out of the playoffs a few years in a row, and there was doubt whether Quick was an elite goalie.

I believe they hope at least 2 of the top 3 prospects are legit top 4 d-men. Also, I expect Berube to rely a lot on MacDonald to play 22 minutes a night in all situations probably with Coburn.
- ravishingone

Hexy has to know how important a good D is to an organization and a goalie

4.5 mil a lot for a player that put up 37 points while playing with a back injury and brings a lot of experience to an inexperienced team? yea ok
- 2Real

no. youre evaluating this far too much on the NOW quotient. if his deal had been for say 2 years, then fine. 4.5 mil for a veteran presence that may if healthy pot you 25 or whatever. why not.

but this is a player that the team is already struggling to find a fit for. at no point was it the plan to have him on the fourth line.

but i believe he has what, 4 or 5 more years left at this rate? assuming you cant wiggle out of it, how will this look say 2 or 3 years from now?

What are the chances that Ryan Johansen gets OS'ed this summer?
- Tomahawk

Interesting. I guess it could happen. But what is dollar amount where CBJ walks away and what is the compensation?

As A GM I would give up the 1st, 2nd & 3rd for him but not Two 1sts along with a 2nd and 3rd.

you can make all of the playoff jokes you want, and their level of merit is a subject of a different debate.

but i have absolutely 0 reservations whatsoever about saying that thornton will get 75 points next year. can the same be said about VL and say, 60?
- stayinthefnnet

so you think points are the only things a player can bring to a team? Joe thornton is supposed to be the leader of the sharks and he sulks when another team scores a goal and the team adjusts accordingly

vinny is a winner and he brings great experience to this team that desperately needs it

where would crosby be without gary roberts? you can't deny he didn't help him out

Ignoring his cap hit I would take Thornton as a 2nd line Center in a heartbeat. That dude playing with Simmonds?
- hereticpride

ugh. simmonds. for as crappy as the VL one is, id say simmonds has to be among the best handful of contracts in the league.