patience is part of the game plan that you were talking about earlier, some teams have a very good leadership/vision/direction for their teams
- Flyfreaky

Leafs are all over the map, can they for once just draft the best player not based on size

Leafs are all over the map, can they for once just draft the best player not based on size
- DougGilmour_93

Demote: Orr or MaLaren, keep one up
Re-Sign: Bolland, Gardiner, MacIntyre, Bodie, Holland, and D'Amigo
Sign: Stastny, Matt Greene, Stralman, Penner, and Komarov
Trade: Kadri, Franson, Reimer, and Gleason for picks and prospects

JVR ($4.250m) - Bozak ($4.200m) - Kessel ($8.000m)
Penner ($2.500m) - Stastny ($6.600m) - Lupul ($5.250m)
Komarov ($2.000m) - Bolland ($4.500m) - Clarkson ($5.250m)
D'Amigo ($0.851m) - Holland ($0.851m) - Bodie ($0.600m)
McLaren ($0.700m) - Carrick ($0.632m)

Gunnarsson ($3.150m) - Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Rielly ($0.894m) - Stralman ($2.500m)
Gardiner ($2.000m) - Greene ($3.500m)
Granberg ($0.800m)

Bernier ($2.900m)
MacIntyre ($0.800m)

CAP SPACE: $1,373,167

note: 3 RH defensemen, and all wingers on their natural side, as per Carlyle's request.

Burke was an awful G.M. He knew he was coming to Toronto, so he instructed the interim G.M. to trade all kinds of picks to move up, to select Luke Schitt. One of the worst picks imo. Guy was just terrible.

Goalie evaluation? Burke has never had a clue as to what a good goalie is, only reason he won a cup was a decent goalie stood on his head in Anaheim.

Looking at that team he inherited and NOT seeing the first or second pick coming to Toronto, which he traded away for a very good one way player, but missed out on either Hall or Seguin? Insane.

No had no use for Burke.

He came to Toronto with no blue chip talent in the minors. He left leaving us the same way. There are no franchise players anywhere to be seen on the Marlies.

Apart from our first line and Rielly and Gardiner and Bernier, the whole team should be traded for picks. And since Kessel and JVR will be too old to follow the plan, they should be traded as well if we are blown away with a trade proposition.

Detroit fluked out with two picks, so don't throw out Detroit comparisons. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were complete flukes. If they weren't, the Wings waited six rounds knowing no one else had figured out their talents?

And Kadri might be our Yzerman? Only in stick skills. Kadri might have even better stick skills But Kadri skates very badly, and uses all kinds of tricks with his body to cover up the fact that he cannot really dig down low on his skates because of a poor genetic body he was born with.

NHL teams still have NO clue as to what makes a great player thank god, so we do see gems in later rounds. Hip strength and lateral mobility are what it is, not how fast some fool is without a puck going straight forward.

Toronto's greatest weakness? They have never finished last overall. Never. They just dull our minds with lousy to mediocre seasons. I am close to becoming a permanent Chicago fan. For years anyways. Love Kane, best player in hockey now.

Demote: Orr or MaLaren, keep one up
Re-Sign: Bolland, Gardiner, MacIntyre, Bodie, Holland, and D'Amigo
Sign: Stastny, Matt Greene, Stralman, Penner, and Komarov
Trade: Kadri, Franson, Reimer, and Gleason for picks and prospects

JVR ($4.250m) - Bozak ($4.200m) - Kessel ($8.000m)
Penner ($2.500m) - Stastny ($6.600m) - Lupul ($5.250m)
Komarov ($2.000m) - Bolland ($4.500m) - Clarkson ($5.250m)
D'Amigo ($0.851m) - Holland ($0.851m) - Bodie ($0.600m)
McLaren ($0.700m) - Carrick ($0.632m)

Gunnarsson ($3.150m) - Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Rielly ($0.894m) - Stralman ($2.500m)
Gardiner ($2.000m) - Greene ($3.500m)
Granberg ($0.800m)

Bernier ($2.900m)
MacIntyre ($0.800m)

CAP SPACE: $1,373,167

note: 3 RH defensemen, and all wingers on their natural side, as per Carlyle's request.
- The Shrike

Penner can S my D.

Penner can S my D.
- Bigzby

lol, I though his size would add an extra dimension to their game, would you prefer they re-signed Raymond?

Burke was an awful G.M. He knew he was coming to Toronto, so he instructed the interim G.M. to trade all kinds of picks to move up, to select Luke Schitt. One of the worst picks imo. Guy was just terrible.

Goalie evaluation? Burke has never had a clue as to what a good goalie is, only reason he won a cup was a decent goalie stood on his head in Anaheim.

Looking at that team he inherited and NOT seeing the first or second pick coming to Toronto, which he traded away for a very good one way player, but missed out on either Hall or Seguin? Insane.

No had no use for Burke.

He came to Toronto with no blue chip talent in the minors. He left leaving us the same way. There are no franchise players anywhere to be seen on the Marlies.

Apart from our first line and Rielly and Gardiner and Bernier, the whole team should be traded for picks. And since Kessel and JVR will be too old to follow the plan, they should be traded as well if we are blown away with a trade proposition.

Detroit fluked out with two picks, so don't throw out Detroit comparisons. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were complete flukes. If they weren't, the Wings waited six rounds knowing no one else had figured out their talents?

Toronto's greatest weakness? They have never finished last overall. Never. They just dull our minds with lousy to mediocre seasons. I am close to becoming a permanent Chicago fan. For years anyways. Love Kane, best player in hockey now.
- organicsteroid

toronto should finish last this season.

youd make a good hawks fan, but your jumping on the bandwagon way too late, but you are already anti-red wings. good start for u though.

lol, I though his size would add an extra dimension to their game, would you prefer they re-signed Raymond?
- The Shrike

Ashton

Burke was an awful G.M. He knew he was coming to Toronto, so he instructed the interim G.M. to trade all kinds of picks to move up, to select Luke Schitt. One of the worst picks imo. Guy was just terrible.

Goalie evaluation? Burke has never had a clue as to what a good goalie is, only reason he won a cup was a decent goalie stood on his head in Anaheim.

Looking at that team he inherited and NOT seeing the first or second pick coming to Toronto, which he traded away for a very good one way player, but missed out on either Hall or Seguin? Insane.

No had no use for Burke.

He came to Toronto with no blue chip talent in the minors. He left leaving us the same way. There are no franchise players anywhere to be seen on the Marlies.

Apart from our first line and Rielly and Gardiner and Bernier, the whole team should be traded for picks. And since Kessel and JVR will be too old to follow the plan, they should be traded as well if we are blown away with a trade proposition.

Detroit fluked out with two picks, so don't throw out Detroit comparisons. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were complete flukes. If they weren't, the Wings waited six rounds knowing no one else had figured out their talents?

And Kadri might be our Yzerman? Only in stick skills. Kadri might have even better stick skills But Kadri skates very badly, and uses all kinds of tricks with his body to cover up the fact that he cannot really dig down low on his skates because of a poor genetic body he was born with.

NHL teams still have NO clue as to what makes a great player thank god, so we do see gems in later rounds. Hip strength and lateral mobility are what it is, not how fast some fool is without a pick going straight forward.

Toronto's greatest weakness? They have never finished last overall. Never. They just dull our minds with lousy to mediocre seasons. I am close to becoming a permanent Chicago fan. For years anyways. Love Kane, best player in hockey now.
- organicsteroid

first off, they're not the only 2 good players Detroit has ever drafted. secondly, obviously Detroit didn't know that they would be HOFers but they obviously saw something in them. you don't know how highly Detroit had them rated. Detroit could have had them rated as second or third round talents. but if they knew that these guys weren't on anyone else's radar and that they'd be around later, why reach?

toronto should finish last this season.

youd make a good hawks fan, but your jumping on the bandwagon way too late, but you are already anti-red wings. good start for u though.

- Jurco_28

Hawks fans are real fans like us, we survived Ballard, and they survived Bill Wirtz, so my guess is they don't want bandwagon jumpers any more than we do.

Ashton
- PinkSock

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
- The Shrike

you know, in some countries, they only eat vomit

you know, in some countries, they only eat vomit
- DoubleDown

Ones populated by birds maybe.

Burke was an awful G.M. He knew he was coming to Toronto, so he instructed the interim G.M. to trade all kinds of picks to move up, to select Luke Schitt. One of the worst picks imo. Guy was just terrible.

Goalie evaluation? Burke has never had a clue as to what a good goalie is, only reason he won a cup was a decent goalie stood on his head in Anaheim.

Looking at that team he inherited and NOT seeing the first or second pick coming to Toronto, which he traded away for a very good one way player, but missed out on either Hall or Seguin? Insane.

No had no use for Burke.

He came to Toronto with no blue chip talent in the minors. He left leaving us the same way. There are no franchise players anywhere to be seen on the Marlies.

Apart from our first line and Rielly and Gardiner and Bernier, the whole team should be traded for picks. And since Kessel and JVR will be too old to follow the plan, they should be traded as well if we are blown away with a trade proposition.

Detroit fluked out with two picks, so don't throw out Detroit comparisons. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were complete flukes. If they weren't, the Wings waited six rounds knowing no one else had figured out their talents?

And Kadri might be our Yzerman? Only in stick skills. Kadri might have even better stick skills But Kadri skates very badly, and uses all kinds of tricks with his body to cover up the fact that he cannot really dig down low on his skates because of a poor genetic body he was born with.

NHL teams still have NO clue as to what makes a great player thank god, so we do see gems in later rounds. Hip strength and lateral mobility are what it is, not how fast some fool is without a puck going straight forward.

Toronto's greatest weakness? They have never finished last overall. Never. They just dull our minds with lousy to mediocre seasons. I am close to becoming a permanent Chicago fan. For years anyways. Love Kane, best player in hockey now.
- organicsteroid

Check your facts, 1985, 1st overall pick was Wendel Clark, the rest is jibberish.

Demote: Orr or MaLaren, keep one up
Re-Sign: Bolland, Gardiner, MacIntyre, Bodie, Holland, and D'Amigo
Sign: Stastny, Matt Greene, Stralman, Penner, and Komarov
Trade: Kadri, Franson, Reimer, and Gleason for picks and prospects

JVR ($4.250m) - Bozak ($4.200m) - Kessel ($8.000m)
Penner ($2.500m) - Stastny ($6.600m) - Lupul ($5.250m)
Komarov ($2.000m) - Bolland ($4.500m) - Clarkson ($5.250m)
D'Amigo ($0.851m) - Holland ($0.851m) - Bodie ($0.600m)
McLaren ($0.700m) - Carrick ($0.632m)

Gunnarsson ($3.150m) - Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Rielly ($0.894m) - Stralman ($2.500m)
Gardiner ($2.000m) - Greene ($3.500m)
Granberg ($0.800m)

Bernier ($2.900m)
MacIntyre ($0.800m)

CAP SPACE: $1,373,167

note: 3 RH defensemen, and all wingers on their natural side, as per Carlyle's request.
- The Shrike

no to the bold

Burke was an awful G.M. He knew he was coming to Toronto, so he instructed the interim G.M. to trade all kinds of picks to move up, to select Luke Schitt. One of the worst picks imo. Guy was just terrible.

Goalie evaluation? Burke has never had a clue as to what a good goalie is, only reason he won a cup was a decent goalie stood on his head in Anaheim.

Looking at that team he inherited and NOT seeing the first or second pick coming to Toronto, which he traded away for a very good one way player, but missed out on either Hall or Seguin? Insane.

No had no use for Burke.

He came to Toronto with no blue chip talent in the minors. He left leaving us the same way. There are no franchise players anywhere to be seen on the Marlies.

Apart from our first line and Rielly and Gardiner and Bernier, the whole team should be traded for picks. And since Kessel and JVR will be too old to follow the plan, they should be traded as well if we are blown away with a trade proposition.

Detroit fluked out with two picks, so don't throw out Detroit comparisons. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were complete flukes. If they weren't, the Wings waited six rounds knowing no one else had figured out their talents?

And Kadri might be our Yzerman? Only in stick skills. Kadri might have even better stick skills But Kadri skates very badly, and uses all kinds of tricks with his body to cover up the fact that he cannot really dig down low on his skates because of a poor genetic body he was born with.

NHL teams still have NO clue as to what makes a great player thank god, so we do see gems in later rounds. Hip strength and lateral mobility are what it is, not how fast some fool is without a puck going straight forward.

Toronto's greatest weakness? They have never finished last overall. Never. They just dull our minds with lousy to mediocre seasons. I am close to becoming a permanent Chicago fan. For years anyways. Love Kane, best player in hockey now.
- organicsteroid

All those guys except Bernier were acquired by Burke

Check your facts, 1985, 1st overall pick was Wendel Clark, the rest is jibberish.
- LeafMan

he sure did type a lot though

he sure did type a lot though
- Jurco_28

Well at least he separated it into paragraphs, I will give him that.

first off, they're not the only 2 good players Detroit has ever drafted. secondly, obviously Detroit didn't know that they would be HOFers but they obviously saw something in them. you don't know how highly Detroit had them rated. Detroit could have had them rated as second or third round talents. but if they knew that these guys weren't on anyone else's radar and that they'd be around later, why reach?
- DoubleDown

ya why didnt they trade up to first overall in the Lidstrom draft and take him, what a bunch of dummies.

Check your facts, 1985, 1st overall pick was Wendel Clark, the rest is jibberish.
- LeafMan

Ouch...thats has to sting a little

Ouch...thats has to sting a little
- PinkSock

Hey, when you say never picked 1st overall, you better make sure you are right,

no to the bold

- DougGilmour_93

If you have Bozak, Stastny and Bolland, the two scoring lines, and the shut down lines are anchored, but if you replace Bolland with Kadri, who's your shut down centre?

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
- The Shrike

Ashton > Pancake boy and cheaper...all we need is Phil and Dustin eating cheeseburgers together like they are Randy from TPB

Hey, when you say never picked 1st overall, you better make sure you are right,
- LeafMan

I read it three times and dont see that stated anywhere. Not taking sides, just saying

I read it three times and dont see that stated anywhere. Not taking sides, just saying
- TonkaPhaneuf

First line, last paragraph.