Zadorov & Ristolienen to Edm, for the 3rd overall pick.



Buffalo drafts the Sams.




The more I think about which Sam to draft, the more I think we need both of them.

If Reinhart is Nugent-Hopkins, & Bennett is Duchene... I bet theyd make a nice line with Girgensons.
- SuperCat

That would absolutely be a horrible move.

I said it was a possibility. That's not the same as saying I think he has a bad plan. It's really not insinuating that it's a bad plan either, but if you want to make that wild jump, that's your prerogative. I'm simply not throwing blind trust in it either.
- buffalofan19

Did you take any management courses on the way to your accounting degree ? First thing they teach you in management is that you surround yourself with good people and work yourself out of a job . Second thing you learn is that you might not be the best at everything and to find people that are better at areas that are your weakness , to put on your team . I did a double major on the way to getting my Bachelor of Commerce degree . Accounting and Management . The man reason I choose not be be a CPA was that I found all the accountants I met and interviewed with always thought they were the smartest person in the room no matter what the subject. Sometimes that is how your posts come across . I am sure you are a very intelligent individual . But at times you have to give someone the benefit of the doubt till they prove otherwise.

Did you take any management courses on the way to your accounting degree ? First thing they teach you in management is that you surround yourself with good people and work yourself out of a job . Second thing you learn is that you might not be the best at everything and to find people that are better at areas that are your weakness , to put on your team . I did a double major on the way to getting my Bachelor of Commerce degree . Accounting and Management . The man reason I choose not be be a CPA was that I found all the accountants I met and interviewed with always thought they were the smartest person in the room no matter what the subject. Sometimes that is how your posts come across . I am sure you are a very intelligent individual . But at times you have to give someone the benefit of the doubt till they prove otherwise.
- Maximum Signal

Boom

Did you take any management courses on the way to your accounting degree ? First thing they teach you in management is that you surround yourself with good people and work yourself out of a job . Second thing you learn is that you might not be the best at everything and to find people that are better at areas that are your weakness , to put on your team . I did a double major on the way to getting my Bachelor of Commerce degree . Accounting and Management . The man reason I choose not be be a CPA was that I found all the accountants I met and interviewed with always thought they were the smartest person in the room no matter what the subject. Sometimes that is how your posts come across . I am sure you are a very intelligent individual . But at times you have to give someone the benefit of the doubt till they prove otherwise.
- Maximum Signal

I'm still looking for the part where I haven't done that. I never said I didn't like Murray, nor did I say that he didn't have a plan, or that he had a bad one. In fact, I originally never said anything about Murray at all. The notion I was disputing was the one that said "let's just say 'we suck, we need to rebuild and just move on'". I said that was pointless. We all want to see a championship (at least I hope so). We all have an idea of what we think they need to do in order to get it done. I said simply said there needs to be a plan. I didn't say that the current regime didn't have one, or that it had a bad one. If that statement further enforces your current impression of CPA's (of which, no offense, I couldn't care less about in the first place), that's not my problem. There's nothing I can do to change that, and it's certainly not something I'm going to change my opinion for, how I look at and critique things, or my way of expressing them as well. In fact, it would be detrimental for me to do so in more ways than one.

I think aside from depleting the depth on D, my biggest concern with that kind of trade is there's a real possibility that Ristolainen ends up being better than whoever we take at third overall.


I'd rather add them to the pool than switch them in for someone else if that makes sense.
- Sabresfan-365

Ehrhoff, Myers, Pysyk, McCabe & Webber is still a decent corps, add a top 4 guy to that lot via FA.

I'm still looking for the part where I haven't done that. I never said I didn't like Murray, nor did I say that he didn't have a plan, or that he had a bad one. In fact, I originally never said anything about Murray at all. The notion I was disputing was the one that said "let's just say 'we suck, we need to rebuild and just move on'". I said that was pointless. We all want to see a championship (at least I hope so). We all have an idea of what we think they need to do in order to get it done. I said simply said there needs to be a plan. I didn't say that the current regime didn't have one, or that it had a bad one. If that statement further enforces your current impression of CPA's (of which, no offense, I couldn't care less about in the first place), that's not my problem. There's nothing I can do to change that, and it's certainly not something I'm going to change my opinion for, how I look at and critique things, or my way of expressing them as well. In fact, it would be detrimental for me to do so in more ways than one.
- buffalofan19

That is just it. Maybe there is a point in being terrible to have a shot at a generational talent such as McDavid or Eichel . You disputing that there is no point makes my case. All your posts seem to have a negative twist to them . The first step is realizing maybe Mr Murray is pretty smart too and probably has a well thought out plan . Maybe he deserves a shot at really implementing it before insinuating it might not be the right plan . I am a pretty smart guy too ( first football player) at my university to score Mensa on the IQ tests . But that does not mean I am smarter than other people in their chosen fields . Just means I scored high on a test.

Ehrhoff, Myers, Pysyk, McCabe & Webber is still a decent corps, add a top 4 guy to that lot via FA.
- SuperCat

I'm sorry you lost me there.


If you want a stanley cup worth defense, Mike Weber has to be your AHL #4, not even remotely close to the top 6 on the big club.

And you're putting an incredible amount of faith in McCabe and Pysyk both becmoing #3 or 4 defensemen.

Ehrhoff, Myers, Pysyk, McCabe & Webber is still a decent corps, add a top 4 guy to that lot via FA.
- SuperCat

Still giving up way too much . This is a weak draft class . I think either one of those players is the most I would give up for either Sam. Not Both .

That is just it. Maybe there is a point in being terrible to have a shot at a generational talent such as McDavid or Eichel . You disputing that there is no point makes my case. All your posts seem to have a negative twist to them . The first step is realizing maybe Mr Murray is pretty smart too and probably has a well thought out plan . Maybe he deserves a shot at really implementing it before insinuating it might not be the right plan . I am a pretty smart guy too ( first football player) at my university to score Mensa on the IQ tests . But that does not mean I am smarter than other people in their chosen fields . Just means I scored high on a test.
- Maximum Signal

Can we stop arguing over what team to model ourselves after ? Let's just agree that we suck and need to rebuild. Also happy Memorial Day and thank you to those of you on hear that have served."

The idea is to get one or more championships out of this. In order to win a championship, you need to have a plan. Whether that's a plan that's been used by someone else, or something completely innovative, it needs to be a plan nonetheless. To merely say "we suck, let's rebuild" is simply a continuation of the loser mentality that's haunted this franchise for decades."

His response was clearly intended towards the idea of copying a pre existing rebuild (like LA or Chicago) or something completely new and how it was important to have a plan. I don't think he ever said "tanking is pointless" or "murray has no plan"

You say he has a negative spin on everything but the reality is you're just picking a fight that's not there. I'd like to agree that you're a bright guy and as a bright guy you can step back and re-read the posts and realize the error here.

That is just it. Maybe there is a point in being terrible to have a shot at a generational talent such as McDavid or Eichel . You disputing that there is no point makes my case. All your posts seem to have a negative twist to them . The first step is realizing maybe Mr Murray is pretty smart too and probably has a well thought out plan . Maybe he deserves a shot at really implementing it before insinuating it might not be the right plan . I am a pretty smart guy too ( first football player) at my university to score Mensa on the IQ tests . But that does not mean I am smarter than other people in their chosen fields . Just means I scored high on a test.
- Maximum Signal

Again, I never insinuated it was. Saying it's possible that it's possible to be a bad plan, and insinuating that it is a bad plan are two completely different things (btw, I also used the words "hopefully unlikely" as well). Murray is an unknown as a GM. Yes, he has an impressive record, but it's not without its flaws either (such as Zibenjad over Coutourier, which more than a couple here have agreed with). I also still question Pegula's choice of who he put in charge of this rebuild (i.e. the guy at the very top), who already quit/was let go/bottom line is, he lasted 3 months. He's a product of that guy's judgment.

I guess my point is this: what the (frank) does someone's profession have to do with their opinion on a hockey team? Short answer: absolutely nothing, which is why I never never attack it, or even bring it up at all. I dispute or agree with someone's opinion based on its substance, not their background, or even their demeanor. It's very possible, and in fact not uncommon, for a complete bumhole to be 100% correct in a given matter. It happens more often that we all would like to believe.

Ehrhoff, Myers, Pysyk, McCabe & Webber is still a decent corps, add a top 4 guy to that lot via FA.
- SuperCat

Ehrhoff wants out of Buffalo, and Weber is garbage.

And that logic by no means justifies doing a horrible trade such as Risto and Zhardov for the 3rd overall pick.

Ehrhoff wants out of Buffalo, and Weber is garbage.

And that logic by no means justifies doing a horrible trade such as Risto and Zhardov for the 3rd overall pick.
- Mentalorgasm5

I don't know if Ehrhoff wants out but assuming McCabe and Pysyk both pan out, by the time they do, Ehrhoff will be way past the point of being an effective top 4 guy.

His response was clearly intended towards the idea of copying a pre existing rebuild (like LA or Chicago) or something completely new and how it was important to have a plan. I don't think he ever said "tanking is pointless" or "murray has no plan"

You say he has a negative spin on everything but the reality is you're just picking a fight that's not there. I'd like to agree that you're a bright guy and as a bright guy you can step back and re-read the posts and realize the error here.
- Sabresfan-365

In the comments he responded to . No one mentioned Chicago or Los Angeles. It is Tim Murray's plan at this point . Only time will tell if it resembles Chicago or Los Angeles rise to the top . If so , don't seem like bad models to follow with their success.

In the comments he responded to . No one mentioned Chicago or Los Angeles. It is Tim Murray's plan at this point . Only time will tell if it resembles Chicago or Los Angeles rise to the top . If so , don't seem like bad models to follow with their success.
- Maximum Signal

The LA and Chicago mention were my words. And I agree which i believe was the original point of the comment, to have a plan.

Ehrhoff, Myers, Pysyk, McCabe & Webber is still a decent corps, add a top 4 guy to that lot via FA.
- SuperCat

No.

Ehrhoff, Myers, Pysyk, McCabe & Webber is still a decent corps, add a top 4 guy to that lot via FA.
- SuperCat

Get rid of webber, McCabe needs a few years in Rochester I think pysyk is a few years away as well. That leaves you with erhoff and Meyers. Sooooo no.

One GM job gone . Washington Promoted assistant to GM position . And hired Barry Trotz as coach.

This would never happen but...


Thoughts on offer-sheeting Ryan Johansen? I'm a big believer in the slow rebuild but adding him would give us a top six looking like:


Reinhart/Bennett, Johansen, Ennis, Hodgson, Stewart, Stafford (the last two probably being replaced by Grigorenko and Armia once they're ready).


Just making conversation here, no need for attacking it...or me

Get rid of webber, McCabe needs a few years in Rochester I think pysyk is a few years away as well. That leaves you with erhoff and Meyers. Sooooo no.
- jaumiller

Can we trade Webber and Erhoff for Edmonton pick ? I could live with that.

This would never happen but...


Thoughts on offer-sheeting Ryan Johansen? I'm a big believer in the slow rebuild but adding him would give us a top six looking like:


Reinhart/Bennett, Johansen, Ennis, Hodgson, Stewart, Stafford (the last two probably being replaced by Grigorenko and Armia once they're ready).


Just making conversation here, no need for attacking it...or me
- Sabresfan-365

I just hate offer sheeting when we are this high as our picks will be at the top . Seems like something to do when your picks will be from the middle to the end of a round.

Nothing about hockey , you are right . More about members of the accounting profession always thinking they are the smartest . No matter what the subject . It relates nicely to tough guys . No Matter how tough you are , there is always someone tougher . The real tough guys realize that.

Pegula is very smart successful businessman . He got there by hiring the right people at the right tome. How do we know Mr Lafontaine was not the right hire at the time . Patty has left , too bad . But we have no proof he was not the right hire either. You seem to make your judgements awful quickly at times. Only time will tell if the right moves were made.
My point is let Murray prove he is wrong before insinuating he might be.
- Maximum Signal

Do I "know" LaFontaine wasn't the right hire at the time? No, just as I don't "know" that Darcy Regier, if he wasn't fired in November, would have won this team a cup in a couple of years with the plan he put in place in 2013. However, I can look at the surrounding facts and circumstances, and think that it's probably not the case. I can also look at the fact that a guy that Pegula hired to run his hockey operations got up and quit in less than four months for, not the first, but the second time, in this position. I can also look at the fact that he was hired after Pegula was impressed by the guy after he talked at a convention where his job was to tell the world why he would never be quite right in the head ever again. I can also look at the fact that Pegula has a history of being starstruck. You're right. Pegula is a successful businessman. That does NOT automatically equate to being an owner that knows how to win. In fact, nothing he has done in his short tenure has owner, has indicated that he knows how to win. Can he learn? Sure, and I hope he does.

Btw, while I know I probably shouldn't engage in your "smartest person in the room" bait, it's not something I haven't heard before. I have clients that take your approach. They're the same clients that realize a couple of years later we're not just flexing our brain muscles when the IRS comes and bits them in the ass.

Ehrhoff, Myers, Pysyk, McCabe & Webber is still a decent corps, add a top 4 guy to that lot via FA.
- SuperCat

Ehrhoff and a 2nd to move up and land jake virtanen
- Mentalorgasm5

Abso-(frank)ing-lutely

He's the best skater in this draft IMO, has an elite shot, and is strong as an ox.

I'll take Virtanen's snarl over Bennett's any day of the week

This would never happen but...


Thoughts on offer-sheeting Ryan Johansen? I'm a big believer in the slow rebuild but adding him would give us a top six looking like:


Reinhart/Bennett, Johansen, Ennis, Hodgson, Stewart, Stafford (the last two probably being replaced by Grigorenko and Armia once they're ready).


Just making conversation here, no need for attacking it...or me
- Sabresfan-365

Seeing as we're probably going to be pretty bad, giving up all those high draft picks for one guy probably wouldn't be the best idea.

I like the creativity, though. Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box