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FrmRusiaWifGlov
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Land of Single Malts-- St. Andrews, Scotland
Joined: 03.31.2013

May 28 @ 7:30 PM ET
Yeah. Jokinen would be ideal. He can play with Giroux and a Jokinen-Giroux-Simmonds line, backed by a Hartnell-Schenn-Voracek line could be a matchup headache for other teams and then you still have the Read-Couturier pair with another winger (Akeson? Raffl? Laughton?)
- Jsaquella


Thats exactly my thinking. Jokinen is such a useful tool for any lineup. I really hope the Flyers target him. What kind of contract do you think he gets?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 28 @ 7:30 PM ET
Yeah. Jokinen would be ideal. He can play with Giroux and a Jokinen-Giroux-Simmonds line, backed by a Hartnell-Schenn-Voracek line could be a matchup headache for other teams and then you still have the Read-Couturier pair with another winger (Akeson? Raffl? Laughton?)
- Jsaquella


Better this guy (less $$$):
http://www.eliteprospects...om/player.php?player=5009
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 7:32 PM ET
Better this guy (less $$$):
http://www.eliteprospects...om/player.php?player=5009

- Tomahawk


Is he willing to come over? Good looking numbers
FrmRusiaWifGlov
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Land of Single Malts-- St. Andrews, Scotland
Joined: 03.31.2013

May 28 @ 7:33 PM ET
Better this guy (less $$$):
http://www.eliteprospects...om/player.php?player=5009

- Tomahawk

Are the Flyers supposedly targeting him? I heard their looking into Dennis Rassmusen
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 28 @ 7:34 PM ET
Yeah, really. They should take Ekblad at 17.

Hey he mentioned Josh Ho-Sang!

- Jsaquella


Yeah the Ho-Sang thing
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 28 @ 7:34 PM ET
Wouldn't mind at all if Morin were shipped back to juniors again next season. Still very many raw elements about his game. No need to rush him.
- bradleyc4

gtfo
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 28 @ 7:34 PM ET
Is he willing to come over? Good looking numbers
- Jsaquella



He's out there unsigned... would love to see the Flyers make a play for him.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 28 @ 7:35 PM ET
Jfc, if only he would drop that far...
- Tomahawk


If he fell to #17 they should sprint to the podium
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 7:35 PM ET
If he fell to #17 they should sprint to the podium
- ob18


If he falls to 10 they should be trying to trade up
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 7:36 PM ET
He's out there unsigned... would love to see the Flyers make a play for him.
- Tomahawk


Yeah, I like the write up on him, too.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 28 @ 7:37 PM ET
If he falls to 10 they should be trying to trade up
- Jsaquella


Well the Ducks are at #10 they could be willing to deal, I still see him in the 6 - 9 range
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 28 @ 7:37 PM ET
Is he willing to come over? Good looking numbers
- Jsaquella


He could also be a complete bust. If they can move VL, I'd much rather have Jokinen
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 28 @ 7:39 PM ET
Barry Smith, Modo assistant coach - regarding Hagg

I think if Robert works hard, plays with confidence and plays within himself, he can be a fifth or sixth defenseman at the NHL level eventually


far cry from the projections Button gave him.

- nastyflyergirl

The moment Erik Gustafsson moved on and with Hagg already a Phantom, my assumption was already that he might be the most likely to replace Gustafsson.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 28 @ 7:40 PM ET
Yeah, I like the write up on him, too.
- Jsaquella



Joakim Lindstrom would have been nice, but STL just snapped him up.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 28 @ 7:40 PM ET
So after this year Pronger's contract has him making the league minimum for the last 2 years. Does that give them some flexibility when it comes to moving his contract to someone who might need to reach the cap ceiling? Is there anything creative that can be done or we just have to deal with it until the contract ends?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 7:42 PM ET
So after this year Pronger's contract has him making the league minimum for the last 2 years. Does that give them some flexibility when it comes to moving his contract to someone who might need to reach the cap ceiling? Is there anything creative that can be done or we just have to deal with it until the contract ends?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Deal with it. Cap hit doesn't change, even though the salary dips. Maybe a budget team would have interest, not sure the NHL would allow so blatant a cap circumvention
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 28 @ 7:42 PM ET
So after this year Pronger's contract has him making the league minimum for the last 2 years. Does that give them some flexibility when it comes to moving his contract to someone who might need to reach the cap ceiling? Is there anything creative that can be done or we just have to deal with it until the contract ends?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I've felt all along that he gets moved to a team struggling to reach the cap floor after next season
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 7:43 PM ET
He could also be a complete bust. If they can move VL, I'd much rather have Jokinen
- BiggE


I'd be good with a cheaper option, given the limited cap resources.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 7:47 PM ET
I've felt all along that he gets moved to a team struggling to reach the cap floor after next season
- BiggE


Possible, I also think that if he gets traded, he'd probably immediately retire and get a full time gig with the Flyers.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 28 @ 7:53 PM ET
Possible, I also think that if he gets traded, he'd probably immediately retire and get a full time gig with the Flyers.
- Jsaquella


Very likely scenario
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 7:57 PM ET
Very likely scenario
- BiggE


At that point the Flyers can pay him the salary he would have received, the other team gets the cap hit and zero expense in terms of real dollars and the Flyers get more off season cap room to play with over the limit.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 28 @ 8:01 PM ET
At that point the Flyers can pay him the salary he would have received, the other team gets the cap hit and zero expense in terms of real dollars and the Flyers get more off season cap room to play with over the limit.
- Jsaquella


Exactly, I have to think that by 15-16, when the cap floor may well be approaching 60 million, there will be a few teams very willing to do a deal like this
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 8:02 PM ET
Exactly, I have to think that by 15-16, when the cap floor may well be approaching 60 million, there will be a few teams very willing to do a deal like this
- BiggE


Definitely something to keep an eye on...wonder if the NHL would step in and nulify it as a cap circumvention issue.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 28 @ 8:04 PM ET
Definitely something to keep an eye on...wonder if the NHL would step in and nulify it as a cap circumvention issue.
- Jsaquella


i thought if Pronger retired, no matter what team he was on, the cap implications would go to the team that signed the contract, not the team he was currently playing for.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 28 @ 8:06 PM ET
i thought if Pronger retired, no matter what team he was on, the cap implications would go to the team that signed the contract, not the team he was currently playing for.
- FlyersSteve118


Cap recapture only applies to deals longer than 8 years. Pronger's deal is 7 years long. If he's traded, and retired, the team that acquires him gets the whole hit.
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