I could see Ghost and Hagg possibly handling what Streit/MacDonald do in 3 years. Morin's probably 5 years out from being an impact player, though.
- jmatchett383

3 years is a while. id be mighty pissed if by 3 years at least a few of the pens d guys havent hit it fairly big.

but then again, i can see the other side of the argument too. crosby, giroux, malkin. theyll all be 30 then.

I'm not at all worried about the forward ranks. And you can always get good solid bottom 6 forwards by trade or free agency. I'd rather see the Flyers draft and develop them though. And there is a drat coming up in a couple of weeks to add to the talen cupboard. And the Flyers have shown that they can find some undrafted free agent gems.
- MJL

just need to hit on that one impact defender, likely via trade.

3 years is a while. id be mighty pissed if by 3 years at least a few of the pens d guys havent hit it fairly big.

but then again, i can see the other side of the argument too. crosby, giroux, malkin. theyll all be 30 then.
- stayinthefnnet

As much as I like Ghost, Hagg, and Morin, they don't have the upside of Maata and Pouliot.

These things are making their rounds on the internet the passed few days.. so I made a Flyers one..

You have $18 dollars to make your all-flyers starting 6.

Center

$5 Bob Clarke
$4 Eric Lindros
$3 Claude Giroux
$2 Rod Brind'amour
$1 Danny Briere

Left Wing

$5 Bill Barber
$4 Brian Propp
$3 Rick Macleish
$2 John Leclair
$1 Simon Gagne

Right Wing

$5 Tim Kerr
$4 Mark Recchi
$3 Reggie Leach
$2 Rick Tocchet
$1 Michael Renberg

Defense (select 2)

$5 Mark Howe
$5 Eric Desjardins
$4 Kimmo Timonen
$4 Chris Pronger
$3 Brad MacCrimmon
$3 Tom Blandon
$2 Kim Johnsson
$2 Bob Dailey
$1 Joe Watson
$1 Kjell Samuelsson

Goalies

$5 Bernie Parent
$4 Pelle Exlund
$3 Ron Hextall
$2 Roman Checmanek
$1 Bob Froese
- jak521

Shelley/Lecavalier/Ellison

Rathje/M. Walker

Bryzgalov

Signed Clarkie and Homer
Co-signed Uncle Edzo Snider in ink.

And the wait will be forever. Laughton will be up next year and outside of the big 3 dmen we have no top talent or even really top 6 good talent coming. So how do we improve our bottom 6 and team speed and top winger for g ? That what my mind keeps coming back to
- Sms401

Just an example of my thought process. Doesn't actually have to happen or be players involved: say we trade simmer hartnell for eberle. How much do we really lose? We lose 2 20-25 g scorers but gain speed and a true #1 winger that scores 35-40 g with g I mean we had 7 20 goal scorers. We can afford to move at least 2 if not 3 of them for some needed pieces

I could see Ghost and Hagg possibly handling what Streit/MacDonald do in 3 years. Morin's probably 5 years out from being an impact player, though.
- jmatchett383

I think those players could come up and contribute to the team in that time frame. But I would disagree that Ghostibehere and Hagg are going to be ready to play top minutes in all situations against top players in that time frame. I even think it's probably going to take longer then that for Morin to get to that point. They can contribute sooner. But to be the key players on the back end, is likely going to take longer.

I think those players could come up and contribute to the team in that time frame. But I would disagree that Ghostibehere and Hagg are going to be ready to play top minutes in all situations against top players in that time frame. I even think it's probably going to take longer then that for Morin to get to that point. They can contribute sooner. But to be the key players on the back end, is likely going to take longer.
- MJL

I really feel that 1 year in the AHL, next year to get acclimated to the NHL, and the next year to get top-4 players is realistic. Just my take.

Also, Streit/MacDonald are not playing "top minutes" against "top players." They're 2nd/3rd pairing players, and I think/hope that Hagg and Ghost can be 2nd/3rd pairing players in 3 years.

I think those players could come up and contribute to the team in that time frame. But I would disagree that Ghostibehere and Hagg are going to be ready to play top minutes in all situations against top players in that time frame. I even think it's probably going to take longer then that for Morin to get to that point. They can contribute sooner. But to be the key players on the back end, is likely going to take longer.
- MJL

Thats a shame..

I would love to have a 23 year old dynamic d-man.

Just an example of my thought process. Doesn't actually have to happen or be players involved: say we trade simmer hartnell for eberle. How much do we really lose? We lose 2 20-25 g scorers but gain speed and a true #1 winger that scores 35-40 g with g I mean we had 7 20 goal scorers. We can afford to move at least 2 if not 3 of them for some needed pieces
- Sms401

We gain speed, but lose a lot of grit. Power forwards are needed in this league. can't afford to trade both Hartnell and Simmonds.

So not liking Streit is not at all based on how he has played. But based on something that might, and I emphasize might happen in the future? Is that a fair description of why?
- MJL

The Streit from Oct-January scared the bejeezus out of me. Streit from February-April earned his keep. I hope late-season Streit is the player they get for the next couple of seasons.

I really feel that 1 year in the AHL, next year to get acclimated to the NHL, and the next year to get top-4 players is realistic. Just my take.

Also, Streit/MacDonald are not playing "top minutes" against "top players." They're 2nd/3rd pairing players, and I think/hope that Hagg and Ghost can be 2nd/3rd pairing players in 3 years.
- jmatchett383

The fact that you have them in the AHL for 1 year and not going straight to the NHL makes it completely unrealistic. We are talking about the Flyers remember

As much as I like Ghost, Hagg, and Morin, they don't have the upside of Maata and Pouliot.
- jmatchett383

Then again, 12-months ago, Scott Laughton was capped at John Madden, so who knows.

I really feel that 1 year in the AHL, next year to get acclimated to the NHL, and the next year to get top-4 players is realistic. Just my take.

Also, Streit/MacDonald are not playing "top minutes" against "top players." They're 2nd/3rd pairing players, and I think/hope that Hagg and Ghost can be 2nd/3rd pairing players in 3 years.
- jmatchett383

Look at the playoffs. Streit and MacDonald absolutely played top minutes against top players. And even if Timonen is back, he's not going to be able to do what he's done before. And if nobody else is brought in, they'll have to rely on a player like MacDonald even more.

Take a look at the development paths of top young defenseman such as Subban, Voynov, and Duncan Keith?
Drew Doughty went straight to the NHL, but he was a 2nd overall pick.

Then again, 12-months ago, Scott Laughton was capped at John Madden, so who knows.
- Tomahawk

Absolutely. I'm just going on what I feel they project as. Which is based on very little as I'm not a scout who's watched them play for hours on end. And which could change in a half year or so of them playing.

Just an example of my thought process. Doesn't actually have to happen or be players involved: say we trade simmer hartnell for eberle. How much do we really lose? We lose 2 20-25 g scorers but gain speed and a true #1 winger that scores 35-40 g with g I mean we had 7 20 goal scorers. We can afford to move at least 2 if not 3 of them for some needed pieces
- Sms401

FYI, Eberle's more handsy than speedy... like Akeson.

The Streit from Oct-January scared the bejeezus out of me. Streit from February-April earned his keep. I hope late-season Streit is the player they get for the next couple of seasons.
- Tomahawk

Not uncommon for a free agent to have an adjustment period. Overall, Streit had a strong season.

Look at the playoffs. Streit and MacDonald absolutely played top minutes against top players. And even if Timonen is back, he's not going to be able to do what he's done before. And if nobody else is brought in, they'll have to rely on a player like MacDonald even more.

Take a look at the development paths of top young defenseman such as Subban, Voynov, and Duncan Keith?
Drew Doughty went straight to the NHL, but he was a 2nd overall pick.
- MJL

MacDonald did. Streit was 4th overall in TOI, meaning he played on a second pairing, keeping in mind that a portion of that was PP TOI. So I'll give you MacDonald, but not Streit.

Do you really expect those 3 players to do be able to handle the responsibility and roles on the team in 3 years that Streit and MacDonald currently handle?
- MJL

Hopefully we have a number 1 by then. In 3 years. If so then yes I'd hope they'd be slotted properly. If not we're screwed anyways unless morin turns into a beast real quick and becomes a #1.

I could see Ghost and Hagg possibly handling what Streit/MacDonald do in 3 years. Morin's probably 5 years out from being an impact player, though.
- jmatchett383

Let's go 2 and 3.

Hopefully we have a number 1 by then. In 3 years. If so then yes I'd hope they'd be slotted properly. If not we're screwed anyways unless morin turns into a beast real quick and becomes a #1.
- Sms401

Morin will probably be in the AHL in 3 years.

MacDonald did. Streit was 4th overall in TOI, meaning he played on a second pairing, keeping in mind that a portion of that was PP TOI. So I'll give you MacDonald, but not Streit.
- jmatchett383

That's only because Streit didn't play a lot on the PK. Look at Streit's ES icetime.

That's only because Streit didn't play a lot on the PK. Look at Streit's ES icetime.
- MJL

So the Flyers were able to put 4 defenseman out against top players for top minutes? One pairing had to be the pairing that played the most minutes against the top players on NYR. Please tell me which players those were.

Also, not sure why only ES TOI is being considered, as usually the other team's "top players" are playing when you're SH.

amac is significantly younger though.
- stayinthefnnet

I like macd but not for 5 mil/ 5years. And not as our 1 or 1adman unless it we have a stud like weber. I know that ain't happening but you get the point.

MacDonald did. Streit was 4th overall in TOI, meaning he played on a second pairing, keeping in mind that a portion of that was PP TOI. So I'll give you MacDonald, but not Streit.
- jmatchett383

Playoff Quality of Competition (based on opponents' share of team icetime):

1 Kimmo Timonen 29.4%
2 Braydon Coburn 28.9%
3 Nicklas Grossmann 28.2%
4 Andrew MacDonald 28.1%
5 Mark Streit 27.9%
6 Luke Schenn 27.7%

Does anyone know what ever happened to user name bearinforest?