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nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

May 29 @ 5:28 PM ET
Oh my.... We wanna trade Letang for Yakupov...... That is terrible..... Awful awful awful.... I'm all for exploring his value but Yak is an unproven work in progress. Pens need someone established for Letang.
mventres
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 06.09.2008

May 29 @ 5:30 PM ET
Awesome! trade away the best dman the Pens have for a flaky Russian!
- sammy87


ONLY if the Yandle deal is also made. That is, I'm suggesting to deal:

Letang + Niskanen rights + Despres + Neal <-> Yandle + Yaks + 1st (3rd overall) + 2nd rnd

Niskanen is gone anyway, Despres isn't given opportunities to grow and still has value, Neal is a good shooter but bad at most other things, Letang is the big piece here.

However, Yandle and Letang are about even, Yaks vs Neal is questionable straight up but keep in mind that Yaks makes 4mil less and is much younger and more talented. Pairing him with Malkin could be what he needs to succeed.

Getting the 3rd overall +2nd rnd this year is also good for long-term planning and restocking the minors. The deal also saves about 6.5-7mil for the next few years, which is very much needed elsewhere and the team is likely no worse for it, and likely better off if that money is well spent in other places (heck we could make a run at Vanek, Callahan, Stastny or potentially both Vrbata and Jokinen!)
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

May 29 @ 5:31 PM ET

I would prefer if the Penguins kept Sid, Malkin, Fleury, Letang, Martin, Neal, Kunitz,Dupuis ,Sutter and Scuderi.....
SPIDEROCKSTAR
Location: Ugh.... your sooooo lucky I'm banned... 9 more days and your gonna get it... - HouseArrest187, QC
Joined: 08.08.2010

May 29 @ 5:43 PM ET
Just re-sign Jokinen and Sutter and Sign Kulemin. Top 9 of Crosby, Kunitz, Dupuis, Malkin, Neal, Jokinen, Kulemin, Bennett and Sutter wouldn't be so bad.
PittsPens
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Westernport, MD
Joined: 01.06.2012

May 29 @ 6:27 PM ET
I would prefer if the Penguins kept Sid, Malkin, Fleury, Letang, Martin, Neal, Kunitz,Dupuis ,Sutter and Scuderi.....
- Jeropotato


I would prefer it if the Oilers kept Yakupov, Gagner, Ference and the losing record that accompanies them.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

May 29 @ 6:27 PM ET
I would prefer it if the Oilers kept Yakupov, Gagner, Ference and the losing record that accompanies them.
- PittsPens


As would I. Great!
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

May 29 @ 7:20 PM ET
I wanna play armchair GM too!
If Lemieux would just give me the job I would be looking to do the following.

first dump scederi ofcourse.

Second the players Im looking to get are Byfuglien and Kesler. My chips to do so are Neal and Letang. Buff and Kesler are both big, mean and can take over a game. Physical game breakers are what we lack.

Neal + prospect for Kesler
Letang for Buff

Resign Sutter 8 for 32 (4 mil cap hit) I don't care what Bartley says he looked good in the playoffs, hes 23 and a few more pounds and years he is a Kesler type player.

Get a Bully for the 4th line who can play somewhat Shawn Thornton if he his UFA.

Sign Dan Boyle 5 mil per try for 3 years- yeah hes old but he can skate and he's a winner to teach our up and coming dmen prospects

Resign Goc @ 1.5

Kunitz(3.75) - Crosby(8.7) - Dupuis(3.75)
Kesler(5) - Malkin(8.7) - Buff(5.2)
Bennett(.900) - Sutter(4) - ???
Thornton(1.2) - Goc(1.5) - Gibbons(.550)

Martin(5) - Maata(.900)
Boyle(5) - Pouliot or other prospect (.900)
Depres(.900) - Bortuzzo(.600)

Fleury(5) - Zatkoff(.600)

Comes in at about 64 million leaving us 7 millions to sign a third liner Ott or Moulson at 3 - 3.5 Mil per and 4 mil to line Marios pockets.


Check that powerplay!
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

May 29 @ 7:26 PM ET
I wanna play armchair GM too!
If Lemieux would just give me the job I would be looking to do the following.

first dump scederi ofcourse.

Second the players Im looking to get are Byfuglien and Kesler. My chips to do so are Neal and Letang. Buff and Kesler are both big, mean and can take over a game. Physical game breakers are what we lack.

Neal + prospect for Kesler
Letang for Buff

Resign Sutter 8 for 32 (4 mil cap hit) I don't care what Bartley says he looked good in the playoffs, hes 23 and a few more pounds and years he is a Kesler type player.

Get a Bully for the 4th line who can play somewhat Shawn Thornton if he his UFA.

Sign Dan Boyle 5 mil per try for 3 years- yeah hes old but he can skate and he's a winner to teach our up and coming dmen prospects

Resign Goc @ 1.5

Kunitz(3.75) - Crosby(8.7) - Dupuis(3.75)
Kesler(5) - Malkin(8.7) - Buff(5.2)
Bennett(.900) - Sutter(4) - ???
Thornton(1.2) - Goc(1.5) - Gibbons(.550)

Martin(5) - Maata(.900)
Boyle(5) - Pouliot or other prospect (.900)
Depres(.900) - Bortuzzo(.600)

Fleury(5) - Zatkoff(.600)

Comes in at about 64 million leaving us 7 millions to sign a third liner Ott or Moulson at 3 - 3.5 Mil per and 4 mil to line Marios pockets.


Check that powerplay!

- stackthepads



madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 29 @ 7:40 PM ET
Sutter, Despres and rights to Nisky for Dubinsky and Jenner.
thickman1178
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.21.2013

May 29 @ 7:44 PM ET
I wish we had some hockey news. These trade proposals and supposed signings make me sad.

Now we will have Yakupov and Carcillo, eh? Yeah theres some character guys...
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

May 29 @ 7:48 PM ET
I wish we had some hockey news. These trade proposals and supposed signings make me sad.

Now we will have Yakupov and Carcillo, eh? Yeah theres some character guys...

- thickman1178


You know nothing of Yakupovs character, John Snow.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 29 @ 7:59 PM ET
You know nothing of Yakupovs character, John Snow.
- Jeropotato


Flaky Russian is Yak's character. Pass. I have zero interest in him.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 29 @ 7:59 PM ET
Awesome! trade away the best dman the Pens have for a flaky Russian!
- sammy87



Agree with your thoughts on Yakupov, but LOL at trading away our best defenseman. Letang isn't that.
thickman1178
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.21.2013

May 29 @ 8:00 PM ET
You know nothing of Yakupovs character, John Snow.
- Jeropotato


thickman1178
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.21.2013

May 29 @ 8:00 PM ET
Agree with your thoughts on Yakupov, but LOL at trading away our best defenseman. Letang isn't that.
- Oneonta Penguin


Our best OFFENSIVE defenseman.

Oh wait, he isn't that either.
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

May 29 @ 8:21 PM ET
I dont know why you all dont give gibbons a lil credit....that dude can play...2 goals in 2 minutes in one game.....and many a good short handed chances, the only bad part is obviously his size but look at marty st louis.

any ways this article is not about the subject we all really wanna hear about......any roomers on the g.m. situation....im tired of getting on here year after year to read about why the pens blew another playoff series. i wanna hear about how we are gonna change it.

p.s. dont tell me not to get on then......i have to read this page daily.....i almost love it as much as crack
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 29 @ 8:27 PM ET
As a pens fan, I hope their fourth line next yr is gibbons-goc-megna
- Kunit

if that's our 4th line, we are in trouble.

could you honestly imagine that line versus boston or chicago or la's 4th line?

Gibbons does not belong in the NHL.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 29 @ 8:54 PM ET
Sutter, Despres and rights to Nisky for Dubinsky and Jenner.
- madmike71

Hope our new gm put a condom on
Conse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rio de Janeiro
Joined: 11.27.2013

May 29 @ 8:57 PM ET
Dont get all the hate for gibbons either.
Was great killing penalties, fast, always pressuring pointmen. Had a shortie against Columbus and almost another against the rangers where Sutter ended up burying it.

Also created a lot of powerplays for us with his speed getting breakaways against tired opposing D.

"Oh but he's too small."
I'd take his speed and smarts over Glass' size and thoughness any day.
Conse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rio de Janeiro
Joined: 11.27.2013

May 29 @ 9:09 PM ET
Also, I think Letang-Martin was a great pair. Put them together starting the season and they can only get better. Just gotta pray Letang stays healty.

I just think we should pursue a veteran d-man to play with maatta since our chances of re-signing nisnaken are pretty slim.

Give Despres another shot on the third pair with Bortuzzo or another prospect and I think we can build from there.

What we can't have is another year of the likes of glass, adams, pyatt on the bottom 6.
pensfan024
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: somewhere in, VA
Joined: 09.25.2012

May 29 @ 9:13 PM ET
Yeah ur right, gibbons doesnt belong in the nhl. He only had 2 or 3 more goals than crosby these playoffs. Oh and thats with playin with people like glass adams. He is pretty much faster than anyone in the nhl. Yeah but ur right, he doesnt belong in the nhl. People like u r the reason the rest of the nhl is moving on and we are still sittin around lookin for gritty sand paper players with lots of heart.

Can u score a goal with ur heart? I think not.
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

May 29 @ 9:44 PM ET

Why Dan stuck with such a crappy 4th line is beyond me.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 29 @ 9:50 PM ET
Yeah ur right, gibbons doesnt belong in the nhl. He only had 2 or 3 more goals than crosby these playoffs. Oh and thats with playin with people like glass adams. He is pretty much faster than anyone in the nhl. Yeah but ur right, he doesnt belong in the nhl. People like u r the reason the rest of the nhl is moving on and we are still sittin around lookin for gritty sand paper players with lots of heart.

Can u score a goal with ur heart? I think not.

- pensfan024



okay, so based on your logic lets cut crosby and make brian fricking gibbons the captain.

good call genius.

he can be fast all he wants, but guess what, when you can get knocked off the puck easier than college kids, your speed isnt as important.

what exactly is the NHL moving on to that we are missing out on? I see 4 remaining teams which all have numerous players that have grit and lots of heart.

but by all means, lets put gibbons and jayson fricking megna on the 4th line. they'll look great against 4th lines like Thornton-Campbell-Pallie. They will never score, hit, win a battle, or do anything... but hey, they're fast. what more could you want.

acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

May 29 @ 10:19 PM ET
I wanna play armchair GM too!
If Lemieux would just give me the job I would be looking to do the following.

first dump scederi ofcourse.

Second the players Im looking to get are Byfuglien and Kesler. My chips to do so are Neal and Letang. Buff and Kesler are both big, mean and can take over a game. Physical game breakers are what we lack.

Neal + prospect for Kesler
Letang for Buff

Resign Sutter 8 for 32 (4 mil cap hit) I don't care what Bartley says he looked good in the playoffs, hes 23 and a few more pounds and years he is a Kesler type player.

Get a Bully for the 4th line who can play somewhat Shawn Thornton if he his UFA.

Sign Dan Boyle 5 mil per try for 3 years- yeah hes old but he can skate and he's a winner to teach our up and coming dmen prospects

Resign Goc @ 1.5

Kunitz(3.75) - Crosby(8.7) - Dupuis(3.75)
Kesler(5) - Malkin(8.7) - Buff(5.2)
Bennett(.900) - Sutter(4) - ???
Thornton(1.2) - Goc(1.5) - Gibbons(.550)

Martin(5) - Maata(.900)
Boyle(5) - Pouliot or other prospect (.900)
Depres(.900) - Bortuzzo(.600)

Fleury(5) - Zatkoff(.600)

Comes in at about 64 million leaving us 7 millions to sign a third liner Ott or Moulson at 3 - 3.5 Mil per and 4 mil to line Marios pockets.


Check that powerplay!

- stackthepads


So at the end of his contract a 41 year old Dan Boyle will be making $5 million and the other deals you proposed would make the Penguins older as well. Not only that but you are also adding a prospect to get Kesler.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

May 29 @ 10:40 PM ET
Habs loss was Tokarski's fault

they should trade the bum
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