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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 1 @ 10:32 PM ET
Do you think that the flyers brass isn't in negotiations with the B Schenn camp because they're waiting to see if anyone would sign him to an offer sheet? With the numbers that are speculated, what kind of a return would that yield?
- iroc4me2


I just think that hexy will wait longer to do these deals than Holmgren did. Not so much a Brayden Schenn thing. I think he wants to bleed these types of deals out to get the most cap friendly number possible. I expect more hardball.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:32 PM ET
I hated it, too. But there were other factors in play.

First and foremost, Adam Oates was leading the NHL in assists and PP points at the time of that trade. They didn't trade for a broken down, wreck of a player. Oates was having an incredible season.

Two, the night before the TDL, the Flyers played in Tampa. Both Jeremy Roenick and Keith Primeau went down with knee injuries and the Flyers had no way to get solid answers on either before the deadline.

But yes, Oates had a very limited impact and the Flyers wasted potentially good assets on him.

- Jsaquella


My point was it just can't be business as usual as Snyder has become accustomed to. I can see doing it then, but now you can't just willy nilly toss in picks for 1 year players like Downie, Gagne... At least Macdonald is a future piece which I'm Ok with trading picks.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:32 PM ET
Are you and Hammar going to kill kittens if Kane scores in OT?
- PhillySportsGuy


i murder, not kill.

and no i won't, because i don't REALLY care who wins this. either way, one of these teams HAS to beat ny.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 1 @ 10:32 PM ET
it just seems like a matter of last shot wins kind of thing. these teams just can't hold a lead.
- hammarby31


Not sure if it's the skill, or the goalies, I think it's the skill factor, it's amazing!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:33 PM ET
It all depends on the return. Simmonds most likely has higher value right now, but the deal would have to wow me. Rumor is that Florida is willing to move 1st overall for help at forward. I'd be willing to move Simmonds and the 17th for that pick, but I doubt Florida would go for it.
- BiggE


People always say that, but the asking price ends up being colossal
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:33 PM ET
It'll be a rampage.

Nothing alive will be alive if that happens.

- Giroux_Is_God


all the living things.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:33 PM ET
It'll be a rampage.

Nothing alive will be alive if that happens.

- Giroux_Is_God


KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 1 @ 10:34 PM ET
I hated it, too. But there were other factors in play.

First and foremost, Adam Oates was leading the NHL in assists and PP points at the time of that trade. They didn't trade for a broken down, wreck of a player. Oates was having an incredible season.

Two, the night before the TDL, the Flyers played in Tampa. Both Jeremy Roenick and Keith Primeau went down with knee injuries and the Flyers had no way to get solid answers on either before the deadline.

But yes, Oates had a very limited impact and the Flyers wasted potentially good assets on him.

- Jsaquella


Man, screw you and your context
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:34 PM ET
i murder, not kill.

and no i won't, because i don't REALLY care who wins this. either way, one of these teams HAS to beat ny.

- hammarby31[/quote
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:34 PM ET
I do feel Laughton makes one of Couturier or Schenn and even himself expendable. All three of these guys are very young. It never hurts to have some seasoning at this position or to move one for to fill another role on the team. I would consider moving Voracek for a more dynamic and more lethal sniper's shot. If Nashville was crazy enough to offer one of Seth Jones or Shea Weber for thr Schenn Brothers (Yeah Right) how can you say no? At the same time, there is something to be said about allowing a young group grow together. I wouldn't underestimate this.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 1 @ 10:34 PM ET
People always say that, but the asking price ends up being colossal
- PhillySportsGuy


I bet the #1 pick hasn't been moved very often with the team dealing the #1 not staying in the top 10, or even the top 5.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:34 PM ET

You just know its coming....

- BiggE


i think kane only does game sixes. not sure game 7 is his thing.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 1 @ 10:34 PM ET
all the living things.
- hammarby31


That's it, your going to Camden
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:35 PM ET
People always say that, but the asking price ends up being colossal
- PhillySportsGuy


Most likely
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:35 PM ET
Every time Mitchell touches the puck it's almost a Blackhawks goal.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:35 PM ET
I do feel Laughton makes one of Couturier or Schenn and even himself expendable. All three of these guys are very young. It never hurts to have some seasoning at this position or to move one for to fill another role on the team. I would consider moving Voracek for a more dynamic and more lethal sniper's shot. If Nashville was crazy enough to offer one of Seth Jones or Shea Weber for thr Schenn Brothers (Yeah Right) how can you say no? At the same time, there is something to be said about allowing a young group grow together. I wouldn't underestimate this.
- SuperSchennBros


We don't know how good Laughton will be yet. I like him and see him as a future top 6 forward, but there is no guarantee. I believe he can play wing too.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 1 @ 10:36 PM ET
I do feel Laughton makes one of Couturier or Schenn and even himself expendable. All three of these guys are very young. It never hurts to have some seasoning at this position or to move one for to fill another role on the team. I would consider moving Voracek for a more dynamic and more lethal sniper's shot. If Nashville was crazy enough to offer one of Seth Jones or Shea Weber for thr Schenn Brothers (Yeah Right) how can you say no? At the same time, there is something to be said about allowing a young group grow together. I wouldn't underestimate this.
- SuperSchennBros



aaaaaaaaaaaah, NO Thank you
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:36 PM ET
I do feel Laughton makes one of Couturier or Schenn and even himself expendable. All three of these guys are very young. It never hurts to have some seasoning at this position or to move one for to fill another role on the team. I would consider moving Voracek for a more dynamic and more lethal sniper's shot. If Nashville was crazy enough to offer one of Seth Jones or Shea Weber for thr Schenn Brothers (Yeah Right) how can you say no? At the same time, there is something to be said about allowing a young group grow together. I wouldn't underestimate this.
- SuperSchennBros


no.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:36 PM ET
Every time Mitchell touches the puck it's almost a Blackhawks goal.
- Pixote Andolini


The entire Kings defense has been a bit turnover prone tonight. Even Doughty has had some bad ones.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:36 PM ET
I bet the #1 pick hasn't been moved very often with the team dealing the #1 not staying in the top 10, or even the top 5.
- eayost


Well the Flyers did get the 1st overall pick in 1975 (Mel Bridgman) for Bill Clement.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 1 @ 10:37 PM ET
Well the Flyers did get the 1st overall pick in 1975 (Mel Bridgman) for Bill Clement.
- BiggE


Jesus, I thought I was old!
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:37 PM ET
That's it, your going to Camden
- puckhead17


hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:37 PM ET
Well the Flyers did get the 1st overall pick in 1975 (Mel Bridgman) for Bill Clement.
- BiggE


clement, clement, hands of cement.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 1 @ 10:38 PM ET
My point was it just can't be business as usual as Snyder has become accustomed to. I can see doing it then, but now you can't just willy nilly toss in picks for 1 year players like Downie, Gagne... At least Macdonald is a future piece which I'm Ok with trading picks.
- jstross


I agree some of it is Snider. But I don't feel his influence extends to saying get rid of that guy or get me this guy, in all but a few cases. Snider presses his GM's to win now, and makes public statements that force the GM's hand.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:38 PM ET
Jesus, I thought I was old!
- puckhead17



I was 9 when that trade went down. I'll let you do the math!
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