johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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that announcing job by buccigross was probably the worst i've ever heard in any sport, ever. - hammarby31
I try to give Bucci the benefit of the doubt, because he's the only guy at ESPN that seems to care about hockey, even a little.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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That's because it took place under the 2011-12 criteria?
$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
Weber AAV: $7,857,143 - Tomahawk
Where did you find that at? |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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It was 4 first rounders. The number wasn't based on cap hit. It was based on the actual amount paid over the first 6 years or something. - PhillySportsGuy
Not sure whether it was 4 first rounders or not. But the last part is absolutely incorrect. OS compensation has always been determined by cap hit.
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That's because it took place under the 2011-12 criteria?
$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
Weber AAV: $7,857,143 - Tomahawk
Yea after actually reading the article I see that now |
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PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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I try to give Bucci the benefit of the doubt, because he's the only guy at ESPN that seems to care about hockey, even a little.
But, you're not wrong. - johndewar
I agree with you. I don't mind reading his articles.
I understand the NHL isn't as popular around the US, but they never show highlights anymore.
I used to love when Sportscenter was just highlights. Now, it's all just discussion. |
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J35Bacher
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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Jaekel the Hawks blogger is saying Leddy, Oduya and Sharparein play. Want a center and some size. Would anyone do something that involed Schenn for Leddy? |
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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: it's been 84 years, AZ Joined: 01.02.2007
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I try to give Bucci the benefit of the doubt, because he's the only guy at ESPN that seems to care about hockey, even a little.
But, you're not wrong. - johndewar
likewise, and i actually admired how into the game he was. he truly enjoyed it and loves the game, no question. he just came off as a star-struck fan pretending to be an announcer. it was far from professional, and it just goes to show that the guys who do it for a living are all pretty good...it is NOT the same as being a studio reporter, host, etc. |
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hammarby31
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Location: it's been 84 years, AZ Joined: 01.02.2007
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Jaekel the Hawks blogger is saying Leddy, Oduya and Sharparein play. Want a center and some size. Would anyone do something that involed Schenn for Leddy? - J35Bacher
they can have schenn, and we can take all three. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Jaekel the Hawks blogger is saying Leddy, Oduya and Sharparein play. Want a center and some size. Would anyone do something that involed Schenn for Leddy? - J35Bacher
No, I wouldn't. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Imagine if TB hadn't done that after the Gratton OS... goodbye Simon Gagne and Justin Williams. - Tomahawk
Well, when you have a chance to get a 1st ballot HOFer like Chris Gratton... |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Well, when you have a chance to get a 1st ballot HOFer like Chris Gratton... - jmatchett383
No-brainer? |
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ob18
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Location: That matters less than you hope it does Joined: 07.20.2007
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Compensation in the form of draft picks for the Predators should they choose not to match the Flyers offer is tied to the average per-year cap hit of the offer sheet. It is expected the Predators would receive four first round draft picks.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=400969 |
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Weber compensation was 4 1st rounders because of a clause in the old CBA
http://blogs.edmontonjour...with-philadelphia-flyers/
As for that compensation, while at first blush it appears that Weber’s annual cap hit is below the ~$8.4 MM that triggers the maximum compensation of four first-rounders, because of the length of the term it is subject to the following clause:
“If the prior club declines its Right to First Refusal, it will be entitled to draft pick compensation based on the annual annual value of the new deal. This is determined by dividing total compensation by the less of the number of years of the offer sheet, or five“
Thus for purposes of compensation, Weber’s calculation is simply $100+ MM / 5 = $20+ MM = maximum comp. The tail in the contract will help Philly’s books for salary cap purposes, but it will not provide a further advantage of lowering the compensation. Funny that the rules in one segment of the CBA are designed to thwart those who would tailor long-term pacts to beat the system, while other segments of the same document allow such contract gerrymandering as a matter of course. |
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PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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Not sure whether it was 4 first rounders or not. But the last part is absolutely incorrect. OS compensation has always been determined by cap hit.
( I could've responded with a smiley) - MJL
I remember it was definitely 4 first rounders. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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No-brainer?  - Tomahawk
Literally a no-brainer. |
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J35Bacher
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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No, I wouldn't. - MJL
Explain? I thought Leddy would be a nice be to the back end. Just curious not arguing |
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BulliesPhan87
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Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz Joined: 07.31.2009
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Not sure whether it was 4 first rounders or not. But the last part is absolutely incorrect. OS compensation has always been determined by cap hit.
( I could've responded with a smiley) - MJL
What about that CBA section at the bottom of that blog post?
10.4 Draft Choice Compensation for Restricted Free Agents
Any Club that is entitled to but does not exercise its Right of First Refusal pursuant to Section 10.3 shall be entitled to obtain Draft Choice Compensation from the New Club. The number and quality of draft choices due to the Prior Club shall be based on the average annual value of the compensation contained in the Principal Terms (as defined in Section 10.3(e) hereof) of the New Club's Offer Sheet (determined by dividing such compensation by the lesser of the number of years of the Offer Sheet or five)
I don't recall seeing that five years thing before
EDIT: Leight |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Yea after actually reading the article I see that now - JonnyHammerstix
That was for the 12/13 season. According to the CBA, it increases at the same rate of the NHL's averag salary. So it goes up every year. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Weber compensation was 4 1st rounders because of a clause in the old CBA
http://blogs.edmontonjour...with-philadelphia-flyers/
As for that compensation, while at first blush it appears that Weber’s annual cap hit is below the ~$8.4 MM that triggers the maximum compensation of four first-rounders, because of the length of the term it is subject to the following clause:
“If the prior club declines its Right to First Refusal, it will be entitled to draft pick compensation based on the annual annual value of the new deal. This is determined by dividing total compensation by the less of the number of years of the offer sheet, or five“
Thus for purposes of compensation, Weber’s calculation is simply $100+ MM / 5 = $20+ MM = maximum comp. The tail in the contract will help Philly’s books for salary cap purposes, but it will not provide a further advantage of lowering the compensation. Funny that the rules in one segment of the CBA are designed to thwart those who would tailor long-term pacts to beat the system, while other segments of the same document allow such contract gerrymandering as a matter of course. - Jsaquella
I vaguely remember that 5-year clause. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Explain? I thought Leddy would be a nice be to the back end. Just curious not arguing - J35Bacher
I'm only willing to trade Schenn in a deal involving a legitimate top defenseman. Or at least one with a better pedigree. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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I'm only willing to trade Schenn in a deal involving a legitimate top defenseman. Or at least one with a better pedigree. - MJL
Agree. I like Leddy and all, but I feel a package including Schenn could have far better value. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I remember it was definitely 4 first rounders. - PhillySportsGuy
I would've still done it without hesitation. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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I can't decide if I'm happy that Maria Sharapova and her prissy, pissed-off self with great legs will be playing on Saturday, or if I'm saddened that adorable, cute, girl next door Eugenie Bouchard will not. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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I would've still done it without hesitation. - MJL
As would I. Every day. He's one of about 5 players I'd do it for. |
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PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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I would've still done it without hesitation. - MJL
I think you owe me an apology. I wasn't right, but I wasn't completely off base either as you suggested. |
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