BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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FWIW, and to steer discussion away from the dreaded Corsi conversation, Pierre McGuire talked about the Pens GM job on XM radio:
Basically, it boiled down to the Pens being unwilling to provide Pierre the security he had at NBC. He has a 7 year deal there and wasn't interested in leaving for a 2 or 3 year deal or to serve as a placeholder. He says Lemieux was very involved and that he respects his views, but that he(McGuire) needed more security to walk away from a sure thing at NBC - Jsaquella
7 more years??
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Yup, his trades, FA signings, and the contracts he's done are, for the most part, poor. Time for a new GM - BiggE
The Pence and Lee deals are the ones that worry me most. He gave up a huge bounty for Pence and traded him a year later for pennies on the dollar. I doubt you could get any of the three main guys he traded to Houston straight up for any single piece he acquired from the Giants |
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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FWIW, and to steer discussion away from the dreaded Corsi conversation, Pierre McGuire talked about the Pens GM job on XM radio:
Basically, it boiled down to the Pens being unwilling to provide Pierre the security he had at NBC. He has a 7 year deal there and wasn't interested in leaving for a 2 or 3 year deal or to serve as a placeholder. He says Lemieux was very involved and that he respects his views, but that he(McGuire) needed more security to walk away from a sure thing at NBC - Jsaquella
Tough to argue with that, actually.
But Pierre had to know that there was no (frank)ing way he was going to get a 7 year contract to be a front office guy.
Unless, however, they were discussing maybe compensation in the form of a piece of the team or something. |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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The Pence and Lee deals are the ones that worry me most. He gave up a huge bounty for Pence and traded him a year later for pennies on the dollar. I doubt you could get any of the three main guys he traded to Houston straight up for any single piece he acquired from the Giants - Jsaquella
Absolutely. I also wasn't thrilled with Jimmy Rollin's latest contract, and of course, the Howard deal. |
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Tough to argue with that, actually.
But Pierre had to know that there was no (frank)ing way he was going to get a 7 year contract to be a front office guy.
Unless, however, they were discussing maybe compensation in the form of a piece of the team or something. - johndewar
He said he would have accepted 5 years. No mention of any ownership stake |
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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Absolutely. I also wasn't thrilled with Jimmy Rollin's latest contract, and of course, the Howard deal. - BiggE
I'm not sure they had a better alternative than Rollins. Either in the system or to sign as a FA.
But yeah.....that Howard deal.... |
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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He said he would have accepted 5 years. No mention of any ownership stake - Jsaquella
How many GMs get 5 year deals though? Honestly asking.....is that common?
I could see a proven guy getting something like that, but a guy like Pierre, who's been out of the mix? I don't know.... |
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Absolutely. I also wasn't thrilled with Jimmy Rollin's latest contract, and of course, the Howard deal. - BiggE
I understand the Rollins deal, at least. Not much out there and Rollins is still an effective player. The Howard deal is just terrible. He not only made him untradeable, he jumped the gun. Howard wasn't a FA for two more years when he signed him to the extension. |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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I understand the Rollins deal, at least. Not much out there and Rollins is still an effective player. The Howard deal is just terrible. He not only made him untradeable, he jumped the gun. Howard wasn't a FA for two more years when he signed him to the extension. - Jsaquella
Yeah, I hear you re Jimmy. However, the Howard deal alone should cost him his job, that deal is just killing us. |
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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How many GMs get 5 year deals though? Honestly asking.....is that common? - johndewar
That's a fair point. I doubt many do, but most guys going for GM jobs don't have a nice big contract from NBC as a safety net.
I'm not a huge Pierre advocate, but I also don't think he'd be bad as a GM. He was a disaster as a coach, but GM is a different animal |
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Yeah, I hear you re Jimmy. However, the Howard deal alone should cost him his job, that deal is just killing us. - BiggE
Yeah. Even if they ate a ton of cash, I doubt they could move him. |
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Per Stephen Whyno, the Lightning have re-signed Calder finalist Ondrej Palat to a new 3 year deal |
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J35Bacher
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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I keep reading the Bruins might want to move Marchand. He has a cap hit of 4.5mil. Anyone think there could be a deal made. i think Marchand would look nice on that third line. can provide some spark and offense. Just not sure what it would take. |
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Per Stephen Whyno, the Lightning have re-signed Calder finalist Ondrej Palat to a new 3 year deal - Jsaquella
Palat gets $10mm per Pierre Lebrun |
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tangent_man
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Location: South Jersey Joined: 11.28.2007
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Hey, if you aren't doing anything this Sunday, come on out and see us at Malelani - BiggE
Will definitely try. Nice to see you're getting out there and playing everywhere these days. Would've liked to have seen you and Mandy.
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Marc D
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Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees Joined: 03.28.2008
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I keep reading the Bruins might want to move Marchand. He has a cap hit of 4.5mil. Anyone think there could be a deal made. i think Marchand would look nice on that third line. can provide some spark and offense. Just not sure what it would take. - J35Bacher
do not want |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Palat gets $10mm per Pierre Lebrun - Jsaquella
Basically the same deal that Johnson got... you have to think Schenn's going to end up around there, too. |
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Marc D
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Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees Joined: 03.28.2008
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Basically the same deal that Johnson got... you have to think Schenn's going to end up around there, too. - Tomahawk
Now they need to dump Purcell and Ryan Malone.
I wonder if they resign Ryan Callahan and for how much?
Drouin coming up, that team is going to be scary. |
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vejim
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Location: FL Joined: 07.08.2007
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why does kypreos think the leafs are shopping jvr - 2Real
whats with these former goons becoming broadcasters and coaches? |
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eayost
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Location: Into the Void, PA Joined: 04.14.2010
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Was actually away "working" for a while to follow up, but I'm not sure I need to really. The Bowman quote is interesting, and I'm guessing that teams do have more concrete numbers on some of these metrics than we have access to. Fans and pundits do the best they can with what's available I guess. (Is zone entry data actually accessible? I've seen some articles written where a writer may follow a game or two in detail, but is any of that logged by a larger source for more games? I'm doubting it just due to the sheer number of games you'd need to keep an eye on. It'd be a full time job.) |
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PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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FWIW, and to steer discussion away from the dreaded Corsi conversation, Pierre McGuire talked about the Pens GM job on XM radio:
Basically, it boiled down to the Pens being unwilling to provide Pierre the security he had at NBC. He has a 7 year deal there and wasn't interested in leaving for a 2 or 3 year deal or to serve as a placeholder. He says Lemieux was very involved and that he respects his views, but that he(McGuire) needed more security to walk away from a sure thing at NBC - Jsaquella
If he did a good job, it would have been hard for the team to get rid of him. Even if they did, he would be able to find another job with NBC or another franchise. |
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PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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The Pence and Lee deals are the ones that worry me most. He gave up a huge bounty for Pence and traded him a year later for pennies on the dollar. I doubt you could get any of the three main guys he traded to Houston straight up for any single piece he acquired from the Giants - Jsaquella
Like the Bartolo Colon trade. Montreal traded Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips for half of a season of Colon. |
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Was actually away "working" for a while to follow up, but I'm not sure I need to really. The Bowman quote is interesting, and I'm guessing that teams do have more concrete numbers on some of these metrics than we have access to. Fans and pundits do the best they can with what's available I guess. (Is zone entry data actually accessible? I've seen some articles written where a writer may follow a game or two in detail, but is any of that logged by a larger source for more games? I'm doubting it just due to the sheer number of games you'd need to keep an eye on. It'd be a full time job.) - eayost
Zone-entries are currently tracked by fan volunteers for just a handful of teams. Luckily for us, the Flyers are one of them... Eric Tulsky is the guy you're probably talking about.
If the NHL adopts a player/puck tracking system like SportVU in the future, and they make that data available, we could have fun stuff like that for every team.
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Now they need to dump Purcell and Ryan Malone.
I wonder if they resign Ryan Callahan and for how much?
Drouin coming up, that team is going to be scary. - Marc D
Callahan is this summer's Brooks Laich... |
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Jsaquella
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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Basically the same deal that Johnson got... you have to think Schenn's going to end up around there, too. - Tomahawk
I figured around $2.5mm, but it could be higher. It will be interesting to see how Hextall handles it. |
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