Yep, they would have to add a prospect to that deal, and a top notch one at that. Jaskin or Rattie.

I might even suggest that they would have to add a pick as well, although maybe not a first.
- the_terror

Pure speculation on my part but every time Murray has talked about a deal he indicates he wants to get a first round pick included. I have wondered if his purpose is simply to move parts of whatever he gets into another package for a more important deal.

We know, for example, Mike Richards will likely be made available by the Kings. Colorado may end up dealing ROR (I would be shocked if it happens). I think Evander Kane will be traded. The Rangers are in total budget free fall and half their roster might be available after tonight (some really ugly contracts).

I have a gut feeling that Murray is about to go beyond the home run we saw in the Turris deal. I think we are going to see a grand slam of a deal. And, that deal will stand separate and apart from the Spezza trade (although assets from that deal could be rolled over into a new deal.)

My greatest fear is Murray loves Rick Nash. Under no circumstances should he touch that contract. No, obviously to the NY Richards and no to the Lundqvist contract. Spezza would be an amazing contract for the Rangers to acquire as the Senators can easily absorb 1/2 the cap hit and 1/2 the actual salary. Rangers desperately need a few team friendly contracts that will allow them to transition to next year. On the other hand, the Rangers have players, RFAs and UFAs that will attract a lot of attention from other teams. Yes to Krieder.

Remember Murray is able to offer more than just Jason Spezza. He is offering up a proven #1 center, solid playmaker, good on faceoffs and strong on power play. More important, Spezza will likely only cost $3.5m on the cap and $2m in actual salary dollars. That is pure gold for some teams who are hard against the cap (including both Stanley Cup finalists).

Pure speculation on my part but every time Murray has talked about a deal he indicates he wants to get a first round pick included. I have wondered if his purpose is simply to move parts of whatever he gets into another package for a more important deal.

We know, for example, Mike Richards will likely be made available by the Kings. Colorado may end up dealing ROR (I would be shocked if it happens). I think Evander Kane will be traded. The Rangers are in total budget free fall and half their roster might be available after tonight (some really ugly contracts).

I have a gut feeling that Murray is about to go beyond the home run we saw in the Turris deal. I think we are going to see a grand slam of a deal. And, that deal will stand separate and apart from the Spezza trade (although assets from that deal could be rolled over into a new deal.)

My greatest fear is Murray loves Rick Nash. Under no circumstances should he touch that contract. No, obviously to the NY Richards and no to the Lundqvist contract. Spezza would be an amazing contract for the Rangers to acquire as the Senators can easily absorb 1/2 the cap hit and 1/2 the actual salary. Rangers desperately need a few team friendly contracts that will allow them to transition to next year. On the other hand, the Rangers have players, RFAs and UFAs that will attract a lot of attention from other teams. Yes to Krieder.

Remember Murray is able to offer more than just Jason Spezza. He is offering up a proven #1 center, solid playmaker, good on faceoffs and strong on power play. More important, Spezza will likely only cost $3.5m on the cap and $2m in actual salary dollars. That is pure gold for some teams who are hard against the cap (including both Stanley Cup finalists).
- spatso

Rick nash ,doesnt want to play here,and we dont need him tbh.The more i think back to the Rick nash saga the more i think we were only in it to drive up the price

Here's what I'd like to see...

1. Trade Spezza (50% salary retained) + 2015 2nd + Boro to STL for Shattenkirk + Jaskin + Binnington

2. Trade Greening (30% salary retained) to Edmonton for future considerations

3. Sign Mike Richards to a 3 year deal at $3M per season to be our 3rd line C

4. Trade Methot to NYI for Visnovsky

Pure speculation on my part but every time Murray has talked about a deal he indicates he wants to get a first round pick included. I have wondered if his purpose is simply to move parts of whatever he gets into another package for a more important deal.

We know, for example, Mike Richards will likely be made available by the Kings. Colorado may end up dealing ROR (I would be shocked if it happens). I think Evander Kane will be traded. The Rangers are in total budget free fall and half their roster might be available after tonight (some really ugly contracts).

I have a gut feeling that Murray is about to go beyond the home run we saw in the Turris deal. I think we are going to see a grand slam of a deal. And, that deal will stand separate and apart from the Spezza trade (although assets from that deal could be rolled over into a new deal.)

My greatest fear is Murray loves Rick Nash. Under no circumstances should he touch that contract. No, obviously to the NY Richards and no to the Lundqvist contract. Spezza would be an amazing contract for the Rangers to acquire as the Senators can easily absorb 1/2 the cap hit and 1/2 the actual salary. Rangers desperately need a few team friendly contracts that will allow them to transition to next year. On the other hand, the Rangers have players, RFAs and UFAs that will attract a lot of attention from other teams. Yes to Krieder.

Remember Murray is able to offer more than just Jason Spezza. He is offering up a proven #1 center, solid playmaker, good on faceoffs and strong on power play. More important, Spezza will likely only cost $3.5m on the cap and $2m in actual salary dollars. That is pure gold for some teams who are hard against the cap (including both Stanley Cup finalists).
- spatso

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Rick Nash is one the most over-rated hockey players in the league - he had promise in his early days in Columbus, but ever since ..... meh .... he's OK, but hasn't lived up to the expctations, and has a huge contract

Here's what I'd like to see...

1. Trade Spezza (50% salary retained) + 2015 2nd + Boro to STL for Shattenkirk + Jaskin + Binnington

2. Trade Greening (30% salary retained) to Edmonton for future considerations

3. Sign Mike Richards to a 3 year deal at $3M per season to be our 3rd line C

4. Trade Methot to NYI for Visnovsky
- riceroni

Do we really need another ,soft pmd ??Iam not sold on shattenkirk being exactly the type of defenseman we need.Also doesnt he play the wrong side for us

Here's what I'd like to see...

1. Trade Spezza (50% salary retained) + 2015 2nd + Boro to STL for Shattenkirk + Jaskin + Binnington

2. Trade Greening (30% salary retained) to Edmonton for future considerations

3. Sign Mike Richards to a 3 year deal at $3M per season to be our 3rd line C

4. Trade Methot to NYI for Visnovsky
- riceroni

i'll have whatever you're smoking this morning.

that's a (frank)ING AWFUL trade for ottawa.

visnovsky is 38 years old, coming off 2 seasons where he's missed significant time due to injury, isn't nearly as good as methot, and makes 2 mil more.

that's like saying, lets trade turris for heatley.

i'll have whatever you're smoking this morning.

that's a (frank)ING AWFUL trade for ottawa.

visnovsky is 38 years old, coming off 2 seasons where he's missed significant time due to injury, isn't nearly as good as methot, and makes 2 mil more.

that's like saying, lets trade turris for heatley.
- sensarmy_11

GTFO just u saying it scares me

Do we really need another ,soft pmd ??Iam not sold on shattenkirk being exactly the type of defenseman we need.Also doesnt he play the wrong side for us

- top shelf 15

i agree with this. i still think wiercioch could turn into what shattenkirk is right now. i'm not convinced he's what we need.

my "dream" acquisitions are still Lindholm in Anaheim, or Josi in Nashville

For me if nashville wants Spezza we need ......Seth jones!! we can add to make this happen

For me if nashville wants Spezza we need ......Seth jones!! we can add to make this happen
- top shelf 15

i think we have a better chance of getting weber..........but hey, i won't stop you from dreaming.

i agree with this. i still think wiercioch could turn into what shattenkirk is right now. i'm not convinced he's what we need.

my "dream" acquisitions are still Lindholm in Anaheim, or Jones in Nashville
- sensarmy_11

Fixed that up for u and us my dear brother army

Fixed that up for u and us my dear brother army

- top shelf 15

I should have said "realistic dream" acquisitions.

I should have said "realistic dream" acquisitions.
- sensarmy_11

Well BM did say from nashvile he wants a top pairing defender
I dont think its impossible for us to get him ,but we would have to add. Say next years 1st and young player /prospect

What's with all the assumptions that Mike Richards will be made available? Wouldn't be in LA's best interest to buy him out or trade him in my opinion.

Well BM did say from nashvile he wants a top pairing defender
I dont think its impossible for us to get him ,but we would have to add. Say next years 1st and young player /prospect
- top shelf 15

I think we'd have to give up more then Murray would be comfortable parting with, but that's just my opinion.

I think josi is much more attainable, and would fit nicely into what murray is trying to do. plus, he's already playing big minutes, on the top pairing with weber. would fit nicely with karlsson.

What's with all the assumptions that Mike Richards will be made available? Wouldn't be in LA's best interest to buy him out in my opinion.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

If they can get an asset back its worth a shot i guess.I never thought Luongo would get anything back in trade

I think we'd have to give up more then Murray would be comfortable parting with, but that's just my opinion.

I think josi is much more attainable, and would fit nicely into what murray is trying to do. plus, he's already playing big minutes, on the top pairing with weber. would fit nicely with karlsson.
- sensarmy_11

For me he has what Kuba had. Good puck skill and very sound positionally.But he lacks what EK needs on that top pair ,which is some bite.Methot has bite but not enough skill ,we need a good two way guy like a Stall ,Seabrook type to really complete that top pair imo

What's with all the assumptions that Mike Richards will be made available? Wouldn't be in LA's best interest to buy him out or trade him in my opinion.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

since arriving in LA, he's been a little underwhelming, certainly not the player he was in philly..............considering the fact that he's making nearly 6 mil for the next 6 years, i would expect more than 10-15 goals, and 40 pts out of him.

at this point, you can easily say that kopitar is better, and you could probably argue that stoll and tofolli are also better. so that's 6 mil for a player who's arguably the 3rd or 4th best center on your team. for a team that's hard up against the cap, it's hard to justify not trying to trade that contract, or if that fails, buying it out.

I think we'd have to give up more then Murray would be comfortable parting with, but that's just my opinion.

I think josi is much more attainable, and would fit nicely into what murray is trying to do. plus, he's already playing big minutes, on the top pairing with weber. would fit nicely with karlsson.

For me he has what Kuba had. Good puck skill and very sound positionally.But he lacks what EK needs on that top pair ,which is some bite.Methot has bite but not enough skill ,we need a good two way guy like a Stall ,Seabrook type to really complete that top pair imo

i don't think they need a guy with bite, i just think they need a guy who's responsible in his own end, and can jump up with karlsson. josi fits that to a tee. guy is big (6'2, 200), can put up points, is a LH shot, had 150 blocked shots and a respectable +/- on a crappy team, doesn't take a lot of penalties, plays in all situations, is young, etc, etc, etc......there's literally nothing that i don't like about this kid as a player.

he didn't have a lot of hits, but IMO, that stat is overrated. neil and greening were among the league leaders in hits, and also among the league leaders in sucking at hockey.

since arriving in LA, he's been a little underwhelming, certainly not the player he was in philly..............considering the fact that he's making nearly 6 mil for the next 6 years, i would expect more than 10-15 goals, and 40 pts out of him.

at this point, you can easily say that kopitar is better, and you could probably argue that stoll and tofolli are also better. so that's 6 mil for a player who's arguably the 3rd or 4th best center on your team. for a team that's hard up against the cap, it's hard to justify not trying to trade that contract, or if that fails, buying it out.
- sensarmy_11

Can't argue about the money. He gets too much for what he does, I agree. But he really adds a dimension to that team. He has helped them make them the contender they are today. He is playing behind stronger forward in LA than he was in Philly. I've liked him in every game I've seen him in this playoff. You can stick him in all situations and he'll give you something. Again, the money is a bit nasty, but it is what it is.

What's with all the assumptions that Mike Richards will be made available? Wouldn't be in LA's best interest to buy him out or trade him in my opinion.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

LA has cap problems. No way they can sign Gaborek unless they make some moves. I doubt they will need to buy out Richards. His contract should be easy to move as their would be a bunch of teams interested in him (including the Flyers but they can't do anything unless they can move LaCavalier).

Richards would be a great fit for Ottawa as a #2 center. He plays the kind of game that is always about winning.

Can't argue about the money. He gets too much for what he does, I agree. But he really adds a dimension to that team. He has helped them make them the contender they are today. He is playing behind stronger forward in LA than he was in Philly. I've liked him in every game I've seen him in this playoff. You can stick him in all situations and he'll give you something. Again, the money is a bit nasty, but it is what it is.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

in an ideal world, they'd definitely want to keep him..........but with the contracts coming due this season and next, it's hard to justify having a 6 million dollar 3rd line player.

i think you could get a guy for half that price, who might not bring quite as much, but certainly more than enough to make up for the difference in price.

LA has cap problems. No way they can sign Gaborek unless they make some moves. I doubt they will need to buy out Richards. His contract should be easy to move as their would be a bunch of teams interested in him (including the Flyers but they can't do anything unless they can move LaCavalier).

Richards would be a great fit for Ottawa as a #2 center. He plays the kind of game that is always about winning.
- spatso

i wouldn't put richards ahead of turris or zibby on the depth chart.

yes, he brings some intangibles and a solid 2-way game..............but zibby and turris both bring those same intangibles, as well as being more gifted offensively, and half teh price.

at this point in his career, i would say that mike richards is essentially a slightly better version of zach smith

ottawa doesn't want to pay 7 mil for a top line center, so it would be a hard sell to convince the fans that they want to bring in a 6 mil 3rd line center.

LA has cap problems. No way they can sign Gaborek unless they make some moves. I doubt they will need to buy out Richards. His contract should be easy to move as their would be a bunch of teams interested in him (including the Flyers but they can't do anything unless they can move LaCavalier).

Richards would be a great fit for Ottawa as a #2 center. He plays the kind of game that is always about winning.
- spatso

Gaborik has had an amazing playoff. He is a great player, but you can't sign him based on that. Once he gets his big deal he'll begin to have injury issues and taking nights off like he has always had. He's been a great addition for the short term, but shouldn't be kept for the long term. I'm surprised you aren't against LA signing him when he is 32? You know what you get with Richards. It's not an ideal contract. But then again, what is in this day in age?

i don't think they need a guy with bite, i just think they need a guy who's responsible in his own end, and can jump up with karlsson. josi fits that to a tee. guy is big (6'2, 200), can put up points, is a LH shot, had 150 blocked shots and a respectable +/- on a crappy team, doesn't take a lot of penalties, plays in all situations, is young, etc, etc, etc......there's literally nothing that i don't like about this kid as a player.

he didn't have a lot of hits, but IMO, that stat is overrated. neil and greening were among the league leaders in hits, and also among the league leaders in sucking at hockey.
- sensarmy_11

That sounds good,maybe iam wrong about Josi.But i just dont want teams trying to goon up EK