Pitt Fan: We need to shed that albatross of a Contract that is Scuderi. I bet we can get Foligno and a 2nd for Scuderi and a 1st.


My question. Why would Buffalo give up Foligno to help Pitt shed salary?

Pitt Fan: We need to shed that albatross of a Contract that is Scuderi. I bet we can get Foligno and a 2nd for Scuderi and a 1st.


My question. Why would Buffalo give up Foligno to help Pitt shed salary?
- ImThatGuy

For a 1st round draft pick at #22. If they believe he doesn't have a chance on this team, it's not a bad move (as long as the pick isn't #31)

I don't really feel like defending him again, but since this hasn't been beaten to a pulp to other fan bases who seem to only look at points.

He's a solid, young, all situations defenseman who is noticeably improving his overall game. I have faith his contract will be a bargain by the time it runs out.

Also, I agree. If he's moved, it better be a tangible return of great proportion.
- TheSabresTaco

Thing is, from an outside perspective he still carries a fair bit of risk. While I don't agree with this, the argument could be made that his success on a team with no real ambition and no real pressure shouldn't be as highly regarded.

IMO, he gets moved in 2015 in a 1 for 1 or in a deal where Murray gets multiple pieces back to fill holes in the roster that can't be filled by the draft (at least not immediately). For whatever reason I just don't think Murray has him in his plans long term.

For a 1st round draft pick at #22. If they believe he doesn't have a chance on this team, it's not a bad move (as long as the pick isn't #31)
- stashu

If the right player is there at 22, I would do it even with 31 being involved. If the guy you really want is say Tuch and he somehow falls to 22, this deal becomes Foligno and a 2nd for Scuderi and a pretty good power forward (likely to be better than both Foligno and the pick you've given up). May very well be worth it long term.

For a 1st round draft pick at #22. If they believe he doesn't have a chance on this team, it's not a bad move (as long as the pick isn't #31)
- stashu

They wanted 31 with it...

Why would Buffalo do that?

They wanted 31 with it...

Why would Buffalo do that?
- ImThatGuy

I don't agree with using 31 PLUS a roster player to take on a salary dump and move up 9 spots...

They wanted 31 with it...

Why would Buffalo do that?
- ImThatGuy

make the 1st next season maybe? would that be better? i think pitt could be a disaster next season with the changes they have made.. or they could make it to the finals

I don't agree with using 31 PLUS a roster player to take on a salary dump and move up 9 spots...
- stashu

If you look at recent late 1st rd trades the two Buffalo 2nds should be enough to get it done. let alone take on a cap dump.

I say Scuderi + 22 for 2 2nds, (not 31.)

If you look at recent late 1st rd trades the two Buffalo 2nds should be enough to get it done. let alone take on a cap dump.

I say Scuderi + 22 for 2 2nds, (not 31.)
- ImThatGuy

what if it was one 2nd - #31?

"This year, the meetings will have the following items on the docket:

Changing ends in overtime
Expanding goalie trapezoid
Cracking down on embellishment
Replay expansion
Coaches Challenges
Along with changing ends in overtime, the GMs are looking at new ways to play overtime to encourage wins before a shootout. Some ideas include reducing players on the ice during a full 20-minute period from five a side to three gradually or even just increasing the period length to 10 or 20 minutes. "



Meh, not a fan of the gradual reduction of players during the period...but just start by doubling overtime for now.

Greetings from the unofficial Redwings Dance Committee. Put a little Motown in the jukebox and lets shake up the draft. First, allow me to say we stand with you - no dancing to Bon Jovi. Second, thanks for the compliments earlier in this thread about our scouting. Unfortunately, Mr. Pachla has inadequately scouted our needs in his blog. We specifically need a R hand D. Love Hoff but he doesnt help our lopsided structure and his long contract is not ideal given how many fine ahl prospects we have on the horizon. Myers shoots R but his declining pt production over 5 yrs and defensive lapses - ouch. Definitely not equal to sub him into Pachla's formula. Foligno isnt much on the stat sheet, but we could use some toughness in the corners. Sign and trade? Let Babs work with him a few yrs and maybe he'll have a happier homecoming than apparently Vanek would receive. Welcome back to the first round. What say you?
- meta_puck_luck

Ehrhoff & Foligno to Det, for Gustav Nyquist.

Conditionally, Buffalo eats up as much of Ehrhoffs contract as legally permitted under the current CBA.

"This year, the meetings will have the following items on the docket:

Changing ends in overtime
Expanding goalie trapezoid
Cracking down on embellishment
Replay expansion
Coaches Challenges
Along with changing ends in overtime, the GMs are looking at new ways to play overtime to encourage wins before a shootout. Some ideas include reducing players on the ice during a full 20-minute period from five a side to three gradually or even just increasing the period length to 10 or 20 minutes. "



Meh, not a fan of the gradual reduction of players during the period...but just start by doubling overtime for now.
- stashu

Changing ends in overtime-its done in the NCAA and in the playoffs why not in the regular season?
Expanding goalie trapezoid-get rid of it all together
Cracking down on embellishment-should have forever ago
Replay expansion-depends on what
Coaches Challenges-1 per team but again depends on what you can challenge
Along with changing ends in overtime, the GMs are looking at new ways to play overtime to encourage wins before a shootout. Some ideas include reducing players on the ice during a full 20-minute period from five a side to three gradually or even just increasing the period length to 10 or 20 minutes.

Play 4 on 4 for 5 mins then 3 on 3 for 5 mins before going to a shootout is my idea here

I don't want to play grammar police but that's...just...awesome
- OGAR91

Throw it on the list with Reinhardt, Ekbald, Meyers and Bennit

Play 4 on 4 for 5 mins then 3 on 3 for 5 mins before going to a shootout is my idea here
- Stripes77

Too gimmick-y to me

Too gimmick-y to me
- stashu

I think its better than what they have now. At least let the players decide it if it goes to 3 on 3 dont let it be sudden death play the full 5 minutes or something. The fact that a skills competition keeps teams out of the playoffs some years is enough of a reason to just get rid of it if you ask me just end in a tie

Ehrhoff & Foligno to Det, for Gustav Nyquist.

Conditionally, Buffalo eats up as much of Ehrhoffs contract as legally permitted under the current CBA.
- SuperCat

Nyquist is a virtual untouchable. Read that somewhere yesterday. He'd be the first guy I'd want, too.

Better chance of getting Tatar, and that wouldn't be easy

If the right player is there at 22, I would do it even with 31 being involved. If the guy you really want is say Tuch and he somehow falls to 22, this deal becomes Foligno and a 2nd for Scuderi and a pretty good power forward (likely to be better than both Foligno and the pick you've given up). May very well be worth it long term.
- Sabresfan-365

He'll go as high as 10 to Anaheim or as low as 16 to Columbus IMO.

If you look at recent late 1st rd trades the two Buffalo 2nds should be enough to get it done. let alone take on a cap dump.

I say Scuderi + 22 for 2 2nds, (not 31.)
- ImThatGuy

22, 2016 2nd, and Scuds for 39 and 40whatever.

That would be my take it or leave it.

No, he makes up for subbing Myers as lesser piece than Hoff into deal. So our first for myers, Foligno, and a 2d per the Pachla proposal.
- meta_puck_luck

At 22 yrs old, Marcus Foligno is the 2nd youngest rostered Sabre beyind Girgensons... Amd at 6'3", 225lbs, there still room for this kid to grow!

I really cant see the Sabres giving up on Foligno at this juncture of our rebuild, considering he's exactly the type of player we're looking to aquire more of!

This young kid has the upside of a Milan Lucic. Right now Foligno & Girgensons are the only 2 young gems in the Sabres forward ranks, they just need a bit of time & polish. And IMO, Teddy Nolan is a perfect coach to mold this young kid's career.

If Patrick Sharp is available and would waive his modified NTC to come here, that would be my choice for the veteran leader. He'll be 33 in Dec and has 3 yrs left. IMO that fits the timeline for the rebuild and is a better option than signing Callahan to 6yrs 6+mil per.

If Patrick Sharp is available and would waive his modified NTC to come here, that would be my choice for the veteran leader. He'll be 33 in Dec and has 3 yrs left. IMO that fits the timeline for the rebuild and is a better option than signing Callahan to 6yrs 6+mil per.
- dadeadhead

What do we have to give up for a player like that?

If Patrick Sharp is available and would waive his modified NTC to come here, that would be my choice for the veteran leader. He'll be 33 in Dec and has 3 yrs left. IMO that fits the timeline for the rebuild and is a better option than signing Callahan to 6yrs 6+mil per.
- dadeadhead

there are going to be a lot of upset sabre fans when they are not picking in the top 3 in 2015

Nyquist is a virtual untouchable. Read that somewhere yesterday. He'd be the first guy I'd want, too.

Better chance of getting Tatar, and that wouldn't be easy
- grand-magus

Understandable, but both Ehrhoff & Foligno prezent tremendous value for this Sabres rebuild as well.

If I'm Tim Murray, I'm not giving either of them up unless its for a top 6 forward that we can grow with. D-men like Ehrhoff (such Timmonen & Zidlicky) can be productive stabalizing forces on the backend well into their kid-late 30's.


Maybe toss in Grigorenko to sweeten the pot?

Ehrhoff, Foligno, & Grigirenko to Det, for Gustav Nyquist (plus Sabres eat half of Ehrhoff's salary).

What do we have to give up for a player like that?
- jochfr

coho and hackett

What do we have to give up for a player like that?
- jochfr

A lot! Hawks fans are talking about Sharp and someone to Florida for 1st overall +