It's just a jump to the left...
- Ogilthorpe2

and a step to the right.

Amazing what little things like self sealing fuel tanks, cockpits with armor shielding can do in the heat of battle.

Edit: I should add A PROPERLY trained pilot.
- Beaver-Warrior

And the resources to pump those babies out like there was no tomorrow.

was that much....I was at 4
- UnnamedSource

Today.

and a step to the right.
- Beaver-Warrior

Hands on your hips

Hands on your hips
- tomcat24

You bring your knees in tight.

Yes it did, and a little later on, so did these...


- Ogilthorpe2

The Corsair F4U?

You bring your knees in tight.
- Beaver-Warrior

And it's a pelvic thrust ( I bet we are on the verge of getting a ban now)

And it's a pelvic thrust ( I bet we are on the verge of getting a ban now)
- tomcat24

That really drives you insane.

And it's a pelvic thrust ( I bet we are on the verge of getting a ban now)
- tomcat24

That really drives you insane.
- Beaver-Warrior

C'mon everybody at home. You know the words. Sing it with me: Let's do the time warp again

C'mon everybody at home. You know the words. Sing it with me: Let's do the time warp again
- tomcat24

looks around for something to throw at you......

Give me an example. And don't give me Marion Gaborik because the Kings are going to have to resign him or he leaves for the highest bidder.

All cap space does is allow a team to pursue expensive free agents in the offseason or to take on a contract that another team wants to dump. And presumably get another asset for doing it.
- RickJ

I guess the prevailing view seems to be (and I know this is the kind of over-reaction I hate) let's go into next year with the same team as this year - Shaw can play 2C, don't need cap space because you can't do anything with it....

Ok - just get everyone re-signed and let's see what happens.

Shaw centering Saad and Kane is not the end of the world, by a long shot. If Stan can maneuver his way into getting some bottom 6 depth like the 2013 team (or close to it) then there is no issue with the 2nd line. Sure, Shaw will go through some dry spells, but most guys too.

If Shaw starts the season at 2C I won't be upset. If Stan doesn't improve the bottom 6 I will be.
- DarthKane

If Kane is ok with it, I'll give it a chance, too - I think Shaw is more of a third line wing, but I don't know.

As far as depth - get a 2C that is more likely to solve that problem, move Shaw to the third line - even at center - with a shot at Morin/Nordstrom/Daneault/McNeil handling the other two spots (or clear some cap space to get a proven third liner by trade or UFA), move Kruger back to 4C between Bollig and Smith (the most consistent line for stretches last year) - depth problem solved.

If everyone is productive.

If Kane is ok with it, I'll give it a chance, too - I think Shaw is more of a third line wing, but I don't know.

As far as depth - get a 2C that is more likely to solve that problem, move Shaw to the third line - even at center - with a shot at Morin/Nordstrom/Daneault/McNeil handling the other two spots (or clear some cap space to get a proven third liner by trade or UFA), move Kruger back to 4C between Bollig and Smith (the most consistent line for stretches last year) - depth problem solved.

If everyone is productive.
- StLBravesFan

Cant just simply get a 2C though. Much easier and cheaper to get a 3C/4C. Shaw might not be the ideal 2C generally speaking, but he can be a great complimentary piece for Saad and Kane on our 2nd line. Keeps up with those guys and provides the dirty work. Get him to improve on faceoffs and thats about it. Then directly solve the depth problem by plugging in the new signing with Bickell/Sharp and Morin, and keep that 4th line u speak of(or move Kruger to 3C and the new signing to 4C).

You do realize teams that try to hit a constant moving target wears them out in a 7 game series.....like St Louis.
- UnnamedSource

Remember the Vancouver series in 10 I think it was when they pounded us out of the playoffs by hitting the ever loving poop out of of..... bollig stays...hes the best enforcer we've had in a long time...bicks shaw. And a z Smith should provide all the hitting we should need as a possession team...no gooning required....just a lil grit

Hey Bill , Seabrook for Kesler would be a real trade . Real Value for real Value and it that was what Vancouver wanted and If I were the Hawks id sleep on it hard .

ANyways Would Sharp + Leddy +maybe a pick get Spezza from the Sens assuming that the Hawks are not on Spezzas block list ? What are your thoughts on a deal for Spezza , what would the Hawks have to give up ? Would he be a good fit here and also , who , if anyone do you think the Hawks should target in FA on July 1 ?
- mrpaulish

Not a chance! As players maybe they are equal in a trade but after you factor in the intangibles the scale is tipped heavily in favour of Seabrook, a guy who raises his game when he needs to, who is seldom injured and who has and demonstrates superior leadership abilities. Kesler on the other hand hasn't shown he can raise the level of his play when the chips are down, who is a china doll and who was one of the bigger whiners on a Canuck team that was full of whiners and malcontents. Yes I'd like to see Kesler on the Hawks but not at the expense of Seabrook.

Maybe it would be a fruitful endeavor if fans would concentrate on a few known facts, or at least some information about the Tampa roster that we can grasp and just possibly try to make something out of it.

Tampa's weakness is their blueline and their goaltending. I would not say that those are big worries, but in terms of trading from a strength their "d" and goaltending is their weaker areas.

A Deep roster of NHL capable players, many whom are young NHL players really stands out. Johnson and Pavlat were very good as rookies. The team has more prospects on the way, too, including a prize 2013 #1 in Drouin. On the other hand, Connelly is a former #1 whom has seen other prospects pass him by.

Any trade Yzerman makes has to take the fact in consideration that Drouin should make the team this time, and has a possibility to be very good. Probably not as good as his former junior linemate, Mc Kinnon (Avalanche).

Alright perhaps someone wants to change their reasoning on the players involved in a trade with Tampa. I am going to not try to read Bowman's mind. But I am sure there will be more trade suggestions forthcoming on this board.

Not a chance! As players maybe they are equal in a trade but after you factor in the intangibles the scale is tipped heavily in favour of Seabrook, a guy who raises his game when he needs to, who is seldom injured and who has and demonstrates superior leadership abilities. Kesler on the other hand hasn't shown he can raise the level of his play when the chips are down, who is a china doll and who was one of the bigger whiners on a Canuck team that was full of whiners and malcontents. Yes I'd like to see Kesler on the Hawks but not at the expense of Seabrook.
- paulr

Or apparently whatever else VAN is asking. I'd prefer they go with a lesser name guy (Vermette, Nielsen, Anisimov / examples, no idea if they are even available) that can play 2C.

Trading Seabs just creates a bigger hole on the team.

If I were the Hawks? Sharp and Leddy for Eller, Beaulieu and a 1st.
- Elbows15

I don't think the Habs would trade Beaulieu to get Leddy.

But maybe Eller and a 1st would be the deal for Sharp.

But really, Mtl would probably push for Plekanec because Galchenyuk will never develop with Plekanec and Desharnais in front of him.

IMO, Mtl needs to trade Plekanec in order to make space for Galchenyuk.

I think Chicago would accept a deal of Sharp for Plekanec, a 1st and maybe a B prospect.

I guess the prevailing view seems to be (and I know this is the kind of over-reaction I hate) let's go into next year with the same team as this year - Shaw can play 2C, don't need cap space because you can't do anything with it....

Ok - just get everyone re-signed and let's see what happens.
- StLBravesFan

While I was sleeping it looks like you did your best to twist things into something about staying status quo.

Your original comment was that cap space could be turned into a skater that can score goals and I asked you for an example other than Marion Gaborik, which you didn't provide.

Frankly I don't care if the Hawks trade Toews, Kane and Keith this summer provided that it improves the hockey team long term. Andrew Shaw isn't my answer or idea for a #2C mainly because I think he is going to suffer his share of injuries and miss games every year and because I think he is better as a winger on a good third line and can be used as a PP specialist in front of the net.

I would be very surprised if status quo is the case this summer for Bowman, he knows where there are roster weaknesses. But he also isn't going to overpay on the open market for something he thinks he already has in his farm system or a player who might not fit (he did that already with Vertseeg). And no summer time trading partner is accepting cap space back in return for a productive skater, which was your original statement.

I don't think the Habs would trade Beaulieu to get Leddy.

But maybe Eller and a 1st would be the deal for Sharp.

But really, Mtl would probably push for Plekanec because Galchenyuk will never develop with Plekanec and Desharnais in front of him.

IMO, Mtl needs to trade Plekanec in order to make space for Galchenyuk.

I think Chicago would accept a deal of Sharp for Plekanec, a 1st and maybe a B prospect.
- soad_live

NOT SURE . I think if Sharp is traded for a 2C the Hawks can do just a little bit better . TP is only 48% at the dot .

I don't think the Habs would trade Beaulieu to get Leddy.

But maybe Eller and a 1st would be the deal for Sharp.

But really, Mtl would probably push for Plekanec because Galchenyuk will never develop with Plekanec and Desharnais in front of him.

IMO, Mtl needs to trade Plekanec in order to make space for Galchenyuk.

I think Chicago would accept a deal of Sharp for Plekanec, a 1st and maybe a B prospect.
- soad_live

Why do you think the Hawks would do that deal?

I'm not saying they won't, I'm just curious as to why you think it works for the Hawks, giving up their leading goal scorer. Plekanec didn't do much in the playoffs. I doubt very much he would stand up to the rigors of Western Conference action over a full season and playoffs.

I don't think the Habs would trade Beaulieu to get Leddy.

But maybe Eller and a 1st would be the deal for Sharp.

But really, Mtl would probably push for Plekanec because Galchenyuk will never develop with Plekanec and Desharnais in front of him.

IMO, Mtl needs to trade Plekanec in order to make space for Galchenyuk.

I think Chicago would accept a deal of Sharp for Plekanec, a 1st and maybe a B prospect.
- soad_live

With the nice job of drafting done in the past few years, I do not believe Bowman wants any prospect included as coming to chg because this only takes some leverage away from him in a trade. Specifically, when Bowman deals a top player, the return should be your good for my good player. Chg does not need or want a "B" prospect.

Furthermore, it would make good business sense to try to get the sort of center Bowman envisions playing in Chg long term. While Plekanec is an above average talent, he is not exactly what I want as Chg #2 center. I would see if it is possible to trade a Sharp plus Oduya or Leddy for a better center,,or one I like more than Plekanec. I would rather see Neilsen than Plekanec on Chg anyway. Now if Bowman can induce another GM to take a 2014 #1 that is ok with me. But I would pass on obtaining a 2014 # 1

While I was sleeping it looks like you did your best to twist things into something about staying status quo.

Your original comment was that cap space could be turned into a skater that can score goals and I asked you for an example other than Marion Gaborik, which you didn't provide.

Frankly I don't care if the Hawks trade Toews, Kane and Keith this summer provided that it improves the hockey team long term. Andrew Shaw isn't my answer or idea for a #2C mainly because I think he is going to suffer his share of injuries and miss games every year and because I think he is better as a winger on a good third line and can be used as a PP specialist in front of the net.

I would be very surprised if status quo is the case this summer for Bowman, he knows where there are roster weaknesses. But he also isn't going to overpay on the open market for something he thinks he already has in his farm system or a player who might not fit (he did that already with Vertseeg). And no summer time trading partner is accepting cap space back in return for a productive skater, which was your original statement.
- RickJ

How about a productive (not star, not Kessler/Spezza/etc., but along the lines of Nielsen) skater in return for prospects, draft picks, etc. - which requires cap space to complete? I probably mispoke (mis-wrote?) about the scoring goals issue, I'll admit that, although there possibly could be deals for that too - Hawks gave up 3 twenty-goal scorers for basically picks, prospects, cap space back in 2010 - maybe there will be a team desperate for cap space this summer, if the Hawks had any to give.

And your reasoning for saying "other than Gaborik because they have to resign him" makes no sense: they are on the verge of winning the Cup with him as an important producer - the only Cup they can win this year - I think they're ok with the deal even if they lose him next year.

As I have said several times, I agree with you about Shaw - very good and useful third line winger - dont wanting Bowman to overpay for a Kesler or Spezza either.

Interesting trade thoughts by Wiz... Seabs for Kessler straight up...

Wouldn't move him defense needs more help than the offense. He's your one physical player on the backend unless you have Brookbank in.
- DK002

Or Johns turns into a bad ass.

Doughty, Greene, Martinez, Mitchell, Muzzin and Voynov is not that great but the system works.

Who the heck are Torey Krug and Dougie Hamilton... Oh first and second year players? Really? On defensive stalwart Boston? Hmmmmm.

Minnesota has Suter and well and what exactly...

STL has a stacked Blue line but can't score goals and scoring goals is kind of important

NYR has McDonagh, Girardi and Staal and a group of forwards that look slow and old which is really helping them out against LA...

Keith, Hammer, Seabrook, Oduya, Leddy, and even Rozy and Brookbank is really a situation that this team can't afford and looking at other successful teams isn't necessary for success.