This board is a tad fickle, Stinks. Several months ago it would have taken Crosby to get people here to part with TT. Now? Wingels would probably suffice.
- mohel

A tip? He is someone on an alt. Most likely a troll.

One of the problems is that it seems - SEEMS - the Hawks can't shoot - especially those you noted above.

Again, it seems (without any real evidence to back this up) that when opponents get good looks in the slot at the top of the circles, they score a lot more than Hawks do in the same situation - it seems that Hawks either go high or wide or into the goalies' crests.
- StLBravesFan

>Yes.

>Stationary players/station-to-station passing are not recipe for success. I cannot remember this scheme being any different since Q's installation as head coach.

>The thought of passing back-and-forth while standing still and hoping your opponent makes a mistake is a failed strategy from the start.

>Q should have been reinforcing a strategy of movement of players, continual skating along with puck movement. It is only when you have both that you have the best chance of catching your opponent sleeping or unable to defend because they are shorthanded.

>Instead, we get players rooted to their little area telegraphing passes and hoping to thread the needle for a backdoor play that seldom works.

Leddy is 22, we had the same opinions about Keith the first few years and now he is one of the best dmen in the league. For the hawks, we have the three best skating dmen in the league in our top 6 D. The style we play suits that kind of player, but I understand we have to deal from strengths. I just find it difficult to unload a raw 22 year old for another surf forward like Neilsen who stands out on a dog poop eastern conference team.
- nickmo2699

Leddy is 23. And has 300 games of NHL experience. Keith at that age did not. When Leddy makes a play, any play, without that maddening moment of hesitation, it will be his first.

Ott fans proposing this..

Spezza, smith, and prospect

For

Sharp, hjalmarsson



They also think Spezza will get berglund, rattie or jaskin and a 2014 1st

Ott fans proposing this..

Spezza, smith, and prospect

For

Sharp, hjalmarsson



They also think Spezza will get berglund, rattie or jaskin and a 2014 1st
- stljam

D - NIED.

Yes, Leddy is the same age as Johns and Dahlbeck. A huge part of the issue is there seems to be little, if any, growth the last few years. I'm beginning to think either the Hawks don't have anyone in the system capable of working with him or he just doesn't get it.

His skating ability is outstanding, but the game is far more than that. If it wasn't, we would all be discussing if StAHLberg should be a first or second ballot Hall of Famer. How many times have we seen Leddy skate the puck in the zone like nothing else only to end up in the corner, throwing a pass away to the middle of the ice? I personally think he's another player who will forever be labeled "potential" and you move a player like that while others are still in love with that potential.
- NewToHockey

. Well said NTH.

Yes Leddy has more learning to do.... but again, he is freakin 22 years old. Is his value at its highest right now for the return we need, or is another year of maturation needed for him to raise his value even higher ?? IMO..... unless he brings back a Kesler quality type, I'd rather they wait until his value spikes.
He did have a nice year on the 2nd PP unit with Seabs and eventually somebody will think he may be ready for top PP unit. That's bigger value.
- Hawkytalk

Leddy is 23.

Yes Leddy has more learning to do.... but again, he is freakin 22 years old. Is his value at its highest right now for the return we need, or is another year of maturation needed for him to raise his value even higher ?? IMO..... unless he brings back a Kesler quality type, I'd rather they wait until his value spikes.
He did have a nice year on the 2nd PP unit with Seabs and eventually somebody will think he may be ready for top PP unit. That's bigger value.
- Hawkytalk

Leddy did make progress last year and is still young, but he still has too many severe brain cramps and Q doesn't trust him in crunch time. You assume his value will "spike" next year based on his skating and offensive/PP ability - can we count on that? And he still needs to play D. Plus he'll be looking at another new deal after next season at a raise from his current $2.7M.

I'd try to maximize his current market value (alone or bundled) and bring up 1-2 of our D prospects to pair with an experienced veteran.

>Doubtful.

>Q mismanaged/mishandled the roster during the playoffs, costing the team the opportunity to win b-2-b CUPS.

>Those blaming the genius known as Jamie Kompon for PP woes have short memories. Look no further than your head coach for where to place blame. Again, combination of mismanagement of assets on the PP along with a scheme that simply does not work a majority of the time. That scheme has NOT changed during Q's tenure, so to solely blame Kompon is wrong. Have to look at who's got the ultimate say in what they run.

>No team with Hossa, Toews, Kane, Sharp should ever NOT be successful in 5 on 3 PP situations. Scheme for the PP has been consistently poor, not taking advantage of the incredible talent at your disposal.
- savvyone-1

Look Savvy. Common ground. Why Hossa is at the point on the 5 on 3 is baffling. Hossa and Kane are redundant. Why Kane isn't the trigger on that is beyond confusing. Open ice and one of the best passers in the league? For that alone, Tampon should be fired.

Leddy is 23. And has 300 games of NHL experience. Keith at that age did not. When Leddy makes a play, any play, without that maddening moment of hesitation, it will be his first.
- Elbows15

>It is the bolded part that makes this constant harangue about Leddy maddeningly frustrating.

>Plenty of plays are made without that hesitation.

>It is those plays where #8 hesitates that is troubling. None of us -- me, you, the guy down the street, Al, JJ or anyone else -- really knows whether that hesitation is the result of Leddy overthinking the play in an attempt to NOT (frank) up and face Q's wrath OR if the hesitation is simply a player with no understanding of the situation and what to do.

>The constant bashing is tired news. None of us will make the decision whether #8 goes elsewhere or whether it's #27 -- or neither.

>If every play #8 made was as you say, Q would never ice him, he would be a healthy scratch all season.

Yeah and the biggest thing with that is they actually like to USE that size. Mcneill can be better but hartman and danault love to hit and battle hard in front of the net. We need people to make life hell on their D-men.
- tomcat24

McNeil will get there. Kids that have had a man's body since he was 16-17 sometimes take a bit longer to get comfortable using it. He is making strides.

Danualt and McNeil both have NHL skills. I would hate to see either go.

Look Savvy. Common ground. Why Hossa is at the point on the 5 on 3 is baffling. Hossa and Kane are redundant. Why Kane isn't the trigger on that is beyond confusing. Open ice and one of the best passers in the league? For that alone, Tampon should be fired.
- Elbows15

>on this we agree!

>my point is this is Q's PP scheme. Hasn't really changed much with Kompon. He would simply take the fall for Q's failing to run it properly or make needed changes. Totally dumb.

>likely my men's league team would have more success because I know all of us are always itching to shoot the puck, trying to see who can be the one to score. Unlikely we'd pass it more than once or twice without a shot ringing out towards the goalie.


>taking a quick break for some food, be back at it in a bit!

>It is the bolded part that makes this constant harangue about Leddy maddeningly frustrating.

>Plenty of plays are made without that hesitation.

>It is those plays where #8 hesitates that is troubling. None of us -- me, you, the guy down the street, Al, JJ or anyone else -- really knows whether that hesitation is the result of Leddy overthinking the play in an attempt to NOT (frank) up and face Q's wrath OR if the hesitation is simply a player with no understanding of the situation and what to do.

>The constant bashing is tired news. None of us will make the decision whether #8 goes elsewhere or whether it's #27 -- or neither.

>If every play #8 made was as you say, Q would never ice him, he would be a healthy scratch all season.

>We get you can't stand the player. Give it a rest.
- savvyone-1

And I get that you think Q and the Hawks exist to baby poor little Nicky. Face it. He isn't very good and never will be. He is a professional hockey player, FFS. If he out there being afraid, it sure says a lot about his mental toughness.

And when the big boys come out to play. He is on the bench.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here but when has Marcus Krueger been stated as an untouchable ? There are no posts suggesting that he could be included in the Kesler scenario, whether it's with Vancouver or a 3rd team. I realize his importance to this team with all the responsibility on the PK and shut down center, but once again, his value is extremely high right now because of the Olympics and another solid year. If the return is Kesler, I wouldn't object..... depending on who the others were of course.
- Hawkytalk

Well said. I see all this love for Krueger but why so much? He's the 2nd best we have but he's going to get decent money for his 20 points because he knows he's in a great leverage position with the Hawks. Maybe you sell high on him if there's a market?

And I get that you think Q and the Hawks exist to baby poor little Nicky. Face it. He isn't very good and never will be. He is a professional hockey player, FFS. If he out there being afraid, it sure says a lot about his mental toughness.

And when the big boys come out to play. He is on the bench.
- Elbows15

>not there to baby ANY player, #8 or otherwise, on this we agree.

>young players can be affected by what their coach says to them on the bench and in practice. again, none of us know what is being said.

>and same can be said of many players when it comes to Q. it has taken many a long time to earn his trust.

>we will all find out soon enough what stanley has in store.

>i won't cry either way (whether #8 is traded) -- ultimate goal is to make the club better and win more CUPS

Well said. I see all this love for Krueger but why so much? He's the 2nd best we have but he's going to get decent money for his 20 points because he knows he's in a great leverage position with the Hawks. Maybe you sell high on him if there's a market?
- Morganskaner88

+1 and a lot of people were willing to give up Bolland because they said Krugs was just as good and could replace Bolland. Uhhhhhhhhhhh, not a chance. Kruger is a fourth line center. Sorry to burst peoples bubble. He gets knocked all over the ice, shows little physicality. Does he have a role? Yes, without a doubt. But, his role will and always will be nothing more than a backup third line center if there is an injury.

>not there to baby ANY player, #8 or otherwise, on this we agree.

>young players can be affected by what their coach says to them on the bench and in practice. again, none of us know what is being said.

>and same can be said of many players when it comes to Q. it has taken many a long time to earn his trust.

>we will all find out soon enough what stanley has in store.

>i won't cry either way (whether #8 is traded) -- ultimate goal is to make the club better and win more CUPS
- savvyone-1

And some it hasn't taken long at all. Q has benched Leddy once, maybe twice. To think he isn't showing confidence in the kid and willing to suffer growing pains is a little disingenuous.

+1 and a lot of people were willing to give up Bolland because they said Krugs was just as good and could replace Bolland. Uhhhhhhhhhhh, not a chance. Kruger is a fourth line center. Sorry to burst peoples bubble. He gets knocked all over the ice, shows little physicality. Does he have a role? Yes, without a doubt. But, his role will and always will be nothing more than a backup third line center if there is an injury.
- nickmo2699

A little physicality? He is pretty strong along the walls and wins more than his share of board battles. Unless you mean something else. But that is physicality.

A little physicality? He is pretty strong along the walls and wins more than his share of board battles. Unless you mean something else. But that is physicality.
- Elbows15

And when JJ's prognostication of him putting on weight, muscle and strength finally happens....

And when JJ's prognostication of him putting on weight, muscle and strength finally happens....
- StLBravesFan

HE'LL BE A MONSTER!

+1 and a lot of people were willing to give up Bolland because they said Krugs was just as good and could replace Bolland. Uhhhhhhhhhhh, not a chance. Kruger is a fourth line center. Sorry to burst peoples bubble. He gets knocked all over the ice, shows little physicality. Does he have a role? Yes, without a doubt. But, his role will and always will be nothing more than a backup third line center if there is an injury.
- nickmo2699

PS when last seen in the Indianhead, Bolland was the 4th line center. Just saying.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here but when has Marcus Krueger been stated as an untouchable ? There are no posts suggesting that he could be included in the Kesler scenario, whether it's with Vancouver or a 3rd team. I realize his importance to this team with all the responsibility on the PK and shut down center, but once again, his value is extremely high right now because of the Olympics and another solid year. If the return is Kesler, I wouldn't object..... depending on who the others were of course.
- Hawkytalk

Seeing that he is one of only two natural centers on the roster right now, I don't see how you could move Kruger.

A little physicality? He is pretty strong along the walls and wins more than his share of board battles. Unless you mean something else. But that is physicality.
- Elbows15

I understand and appreciate what he does, but if Bollig for 1+ in his extension then you know Kruger is 2+ based on center being a void here. That seems high for a 4th line center. That's a role a kid from the farm should be able to handle. He's not an offensive dynamo to slot higher, he's a depth guy. I just think if there's a market for his services maybe sell high.

[quote=EnzoD]Sharp + Teuvo Teravainen + 2014 1st & 2015 2nd for JVR + Kadri

Sharp + McNeil/Danault + Leddy for Jordan Staal (Carolina retains 10% salary) + Jay Harrison

Leddy + TT + Raanta's rights + 2014 1st for Plecanec + Tokarski

Sharp + Leddy +2015 2nd for Spezza ( if he agrees to sign an extension prior to the trade)

Leddy +TT +2014 3rd for Frans Neilson
- SaskHawkFan[/quote

You should have Stan's job, wow just great trades. [/img]

haha thanks..i was trying to propose trades that other GMs would actually consider strongly and not turn down immediately...

I understand and appreciate what he does, but if Bollig for 1+ in his extension then you know Kruger is 2+ based on center being a void here. That seems high for a 4th line center. That's a role a kid from the farm should be able to handle. He's not an offensive dynamo to slot higher, he's a depth guy. I just think if there's a market for his services maybe sell high.
- Morganskaner88

I didn't say he was untouchable. But to say he has little physicality is wrong. And he is good enough to be a 3rd line center. The salary cap is going up.