For Sage. Saw something on the NHL Network where the cap is estimated to be 71.1M for next season. They were talking about player movements and such and it was on one of their information tabs.

>Understood
>What are the chances the new Swede Center makes the team?
>If so, what line?
>Any thoughts?
- SnapitUpstairs

No clue..

>not there to baby ANY player, #8 or otherwise, on this we agree.

>young players can be affected by what their coach says to them on the bench and in practice. again, none of us know what is being said.

>and same can be said of many players when it comes to Q. it has taken many a long time to earn his trust.

>we will all find out soon enough what stanley has in store.

>i won't cry either way (whether #8 is traded) -- ultimate goal is to make the club better and win more CUPS
- savvyone-1

We have often brought up the parallel of Keith and Leddy. Keith repeatedly has credited his coach when younger (Yawney?) with his development. It would appear that Leddy doesn't have that sort of mentor currently with the team. That is one reason I think moving him is best for the Hawks and may be best for him. Maybe in another system, with a coach that can teach him, he will flourish. I just don't see it happening here.

We have often brought up the parallel of Keith and Leddy. Keith repeatedly has credited his coach when younger (Yawney?) with his development. It would appear that Leddy doesn't have that sort of mentor currently with the team. That is one reason I think moving him is best for the Hawks and may be best for him. Maybe in another system, with a coach that can teach him, he will flourish. I just don't see it happening here.
- NewToHockey

>agreed NTH

>it was Yawney (for Keith and Seabrook), along with some really bad Hawk rosters that allowed those 2 to play in all situations regardless.

>I often wonder if Keith was in #8's spot, coming in when he did, and under Q with no tutor in Yawney, would have flourished as he did. Guys have short memories and don't remember all the horrible play early on for those 2. They got through it and were both the better for it. But those teams were never in CUP contention, quite a big difference in how a coach manages his roster, eh?

For Sage. Saw something on the NHL Network where the cap is estimated to be 71.1M for next season. They were talking about player movements and such and it was on one of their information tabs.
- Elbows15

Haven't found it yet - I'll look again after dinner.

$71MM would be great - even better for next year, where 10% could get it up to $78MM.

I like Spezza for the Hawks.........
- wicket

I wouldn't mind that just as long as 50% of his cap hit was retained - the same goes for Joe Thornton.

However I DON'T want to see Sharp traded - as a life long Hawks fan I would go bonkers if that happened.

The truth is the Hawks aren't looking for a second line center - they're looking for a first line center that will play on the second line.

Also, I don't want to see this team completely redesigned just because we need a 2nd line center.

As far as Kesler - I don't care what JJ says - the Hawks are VERY MUCH in on that sweepstakes.

Haven't found it yet - I'll look again after dinner.

$71MM would be great - even better for next year, where 10% could get it up to $78MM.
- StLBravesFan

It wasn't on the scroll, Sage. It was under the commentators.

McNeil will get there. Kids that have had a man's body since he was 16-17 sometimes take a bit longer to get comfortable using it. He is making strides.

Danualt and McNeil both have NHL skills. I would hate to see either go.
- Elbows15

You and me both. Plus hartman. Obviously they aren't untouchable but there are others I would want to trade first

We have often brought up the parallel of Keith and Leddy. Keith repeatedly has credited his coach when younger (Yawney?) with his development. It would appear that Leddy doesn't have that sort of mentor currently with the team. That is one reason I think moving him is best for the Hawks and may be best for him. Maybe in another system, with a coach that can teach him, he will flourish. I just don't see it happening here.
- NewToHockey

Trading Leddy would be an epic mistake - Leddy could be the next Keith but he needs Duncs to teach him, otherwise Leddy would be just an irrational version of Brian Campbell.

One thing about Keith tho - he is so afraid at shooting the puck. He would rather pass 99.9% if the time and that needs to stop. Keith needs a little bit of that Doug Wilson in him.

haha thanks..i was trying to propose trades that other GMs would actually consider strongly and not turn down immediately...
- EnzoD

Now if you can get stan to try #1 or #2 we would be a better team, especially #1

haha thanks..i was trying to propose trades that other GMs would actually consider strongly and not turn down immediately...
- EnzoD

i forgot the RED FONT i was being sarcastic, the only one i would consider is the Leafs trade. the Carolina purposal is brutal.

i forgot the RED FONT i was being sarcastic, the only one i would consider is the Leafs trade. the Carolina purposal is brutal.
- SaskHawkFan

Yeah I thought u were. Lol. But that leafs trade isn't bad.

Yeah I thought u were. Lol. But that leafs trade isn't bad.
- tomcat24

actually woudln't be bad JVR would be a beast love to have him, and kadri could turn out to be a decent player.

i forgot the RED FONT i was being sarcastic, the only one i would consider is the Leafs trade. the Carolina purposal is brutal.
- SaskHawkFan

actually woudln't be bad JVR would be a beast love to have him, and kadri could turn out to be a decent player.
- SaskHawkFan

We would have the best top 9 in the league. A lot of youngish vets. Kadri isn't the best in his own zone, but that can be learned. I think he would be great here. Get away from all the pressure of toronto. JVR is a monster

It wasn't on the scroll, Sage. It was under the commentators.
- Elbows15

On TV - not online?

Benning may have walked away from a potential deal for Kesler, but in reality Benning has only a couple of choices and 7 or 8 teams he can deal with and only a few options with Kesler. a) he could not deal him at all and have a totally pissed Kesler all season or b) take the best offer, and IMO the Hawks without question are the team that made the best offer.

The Hawks are the team that have the assets to bring Kesler to Chicago.

The Kesler situation is funny because every time I think about it I get that image from Slapshot where the goalie is like: "trade me right (frank)ing now" - "now hang up"

If Sharp to Tampa Bay, why not two young, impressive forwards in return? Johnson and Killorn. Tampa has Drouin arriving and he might be something closer to advertised with a "Sharp" new linemate to help break him in. Yzerman could boost two strong scoring lines. They have Palat and Filipula available as well.

Johnson is a very strong #3 and.maybe a #2 for a decade, is a cheap contract right now and is strong in areas Q can appreciate. Killorn is a name associated with the Tampa rumor from the get go.

We still retain either Oduya or Leddy for possible movement if there is another worthwhile deal to complete this summer. You might check the scouting report and stat's for Johnson before saying yeah or not on this proposal

We would have the best top 9 in the league. A lot of youngish vets. Kadri isn't the best in his own zone, but that can be learned. I think he would be great here. Get away from all the pressure of toronto. JVR is a monster
- tomcat24

It even works out Capwise.

It even works out Capwise.
- SaskHawkFan

Does it? That was the only thing I worried about since both of them have been in the league awhile. I figured they each were around $4 million. Hopefully the cap goes up next year because that is a pretty solid top 9 that could compete for a long time

Does it? That was the only thing I worried about since both of them have been in the league awhile. I figured they each were around $4 million. Hopefully the cap goes up net year because that is a pretty solid top 9 that could compete for a long time
- tomcat24

its close we would have to dispatch salary some were else but not alot. JVR is at 4.2 for 4 more years Kadri is at 2.9 for one more year.

sharpie is at 5.9 so we would have a difference of 1.2 million, room im sure stan could find.

its close we would have to dispatch salary some were else but not alot. JVR is at 4.2 for 4 more years Kadri is at 2.9 for one more year.

sharpie is at 5.9 so we would have a difference of 1.2 million, room im sure stan could find.
- SaskHawkFan

We can give them Versteeg, too next year would be tough, though. But you are right, I'm sure stan can do something creative.

Haven't found it yet - I'll look again after dinner.

$71MM would be great - even better for next year, where 10% could get it up to $78MM.
- StLBravesFan

Capgeek has it listed as $71.1 but says it could be 69,70, or 71 and won't officially be set until late June.


http://capgeek.com/

its close we would have to dispatch salary some were else but not alot. JVR is at 4.2 for 4 more years Kadri is at 2.9 for one more year.

sharpie is at 5.9 so we would have a difference of 1.2 million, room im sure stan could find.
- SaskHawkFan

Man I have a 3-way deal that would clear close to 10 million in cap

To Chicago
Kessler @50% retained

To Vancouver
TT
Bickell
2014 1st Round Pick Chicago
2015 1st Round Pick Calgary

To Calgary
Rozy
Rundblad
Hayes rights (worth a 2nd round pick by de facto)

That deal would save the Hawks nearly 10 million in cap space + get us Kesler at 2.75 per.

I don't want to deal TT but this deal is fair and the savings on the cap are amazing for the Hawks.

Of course Haws fans don't like the deal because they think Bickell is God and strangely enough would rather trade Sharp over Bickell.

Man I have a 3-way deal that would clear close to 10 million in cap

To Chicago
Kessler @50% retained

To Vancouver
TT
Bickell
2014 1st Round Pick Chicago
2015 1st Round Pick Calgary

To Calgary
Rozy
Rundblad
Hayes rights (worth a 2nd round pick by de facto)

That deal would save the Hawks nearly 10 million in cap space + get us Kesler at 2.75 per.

I don't want to deal TT but this deal is fair and the savings on the cap are amazing for the Hawks.

Of course Haws fans don't like the deal because they think Bickell is God and strangely enough would rather trade Sharp over Bickell.
- Tazer19

Ummmmmmmm no.