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HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:21 PM ET
Why?

A nice piece of Danish with some coffee in the morning - nothing better.

And after, a piece of pastry.

- StLBravesFan


It's Elbows you have to convince.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:22 PM ET
Hey Mo! What did Elbows say?
- HawkintheD


The cap for this year is expected to be closer to the original estimate of $71M than had earlier been feared. The tweet by Mirtle also said that next year looks like $77M or so (this number is based on the feeble recollections of my addled brain)
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:23 PM ET
The cap for this year is expected to be closer to the original estimate of $71M than had earlier been feared. The tweet by Mirtle also said that next year looks like $77M or so (this number is based on the feeble recollections of my addled brain)
- mohel


If so - good for the good guys.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:25 PM ET
Exactly - You just turned 26. You think you know everything.

It's ok to disagree, but to blatantly deny in a rude way is childish.

- Tazer19


When things are so obviously off the wall and riddled with incorrect statements it is often easier to just go with the short form "no."

BTW - are you going to cite the sources for your comments earlier or are you going to admit that you are full of crap?
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:26 PM ET
Why?

A nice piece of Danish with some coffee in the morning - nothing better.

And after, a piece of pastry.

- StLBravesFan


I can deal with that..

mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:27 PM ET
I can deal with that..


- Beaver-Warrior


oooof.....
Tazer19
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 09.30.2008

Jun 13 @ 9:28 PM ET
Please, some reading comprehension:

You said that the Hawks made the best offer for Kesler: source?

You said that despite JJ saying the Hawks were out of the bidding for Kesler, they were still in it: source?

- StLBravesFan


It's basic logic - which teams have the actual assets to acquire Kesler without destroying their team and farm system????

Given Keslers list - show me some assets from other teams they can afford to give up to acquire Kesler.

It's called addition by subtraction.

Now, I'm quite aware that Benning has no desire to trade Kesler to the Blackhawks, however the Blackhawks are really the only team with the required assets to really make a deal for him - which completely legitimizes JJ's claim that the "asking price is too high" - that really translates into "I don't want to trade Kesler to Chicago."

IMO, it will be Benning coming back at the draft trying to sell Kesler to Bowman. It will be another Luongo situation.

I don't know if you have any hobbies or do any trading of any sort but I have plenty experience in trading items, so I can clearly see the game being played here. This sounds like the basic "bluff" where someone holds out and then soon enough there are no buyers, then that individual will lower his price just to move the item....

The real problem in the West is that no team wants to see Chicago get better, because they want to win too - and that is the real issue involved in this potential trade.


Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:28 PM ET
Really? how does a team stop a team that has 2 legitimate first lines? Especially with a coach like Q who knows his poop and likes to mix it up when he needs to?

You can never have too many tools in your toolbox but I would rather have less tools rather than a toolbox full of junk..... The funny part is that is a bad analogy here considering the Hawks have epic depth and it's generally not "junk."

- Tazer19

Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:30 PM ET
Probably something full of piss and vinegar
- eburgio

Hardly.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:32 PM ET
It's basic logic - which teams have the actual assets to acquire Kesler without destroying their team and farm system????

Given Keslers list - show me some assets from other teams they can afford to give up to acquire Kesler.

It's called addition by subtraction.

Now, I'm quite aware that Benning has no desire to trade Kesler to the Blackhawks, however the Blackhawks are really the only team with the required assets to really make a deal for him - which completely legitimizes JJ's claim that the "asking price is too high" - that really translates into "I don't want to trade Kesler to Chicago."

IMO, it will be Benning coming back at the draft trying to sell Kesler to Bowman. It will be another Luongo situation.

I don't know if you have any hobbies or do any trading of any sort but I have plenty experience in trading items, so I can clearly see the game being played here. This sounds like the basic "bluff" where someone holds out and then soon enough there are no buyers, then that individual will lower his price just to move the item....

The real problem in the West is that no team wants to see Chicago get better, because they want to win too - and that is the real issue involved in this potential trade.

- Tazer19


So - you have no confirmable basis for your suppositions - basically, just your opinion.

No problem with that.

Unless you present it as provable fact.

Which you did.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:33 PM ET
Alex Killorn!!!! Please!!
- FourOrr



Either him or Neilsen.

Although Killorn wouldn't raise any eyebrows. Unless it's what Stan gives up that raises eyebrows.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:33 PM ET
It's basic logic - which teams have the actual assets to acquire Kesler without destroying their team and farm system????

Given Keslers list - show me some assets from other teams they can afford to give up to acquire Kesler.

It's called addition by subtraction.

Now, I'm quite aware that Benning has no desire to trade Kesler to the Blackhawks, however the Blackhawks are really the only team with the required assets to really make a deal for him - which completely legitimizes JJ's claim that the "asking price is too high" - that really translates into "I don't want to trade Kesler to Chicago."

IMO, it will be Benning coming back at the draft trying to sell Kesler to Bowman. It will be another Luongo situation.

I don't know if you have any hobbies or do any trading of any sort but I have plenty experience in trading items, so I can clearly see the game being played here. This sounds like the basic "bluff" where someone holds out and then soon enough there are no buyers, then that individual will lower his price just to move the item....

The real problem in the West is that no team wants to see Chicago get better, because they want to win too - and that is the real issue involved in this potential trade.

- Tazer19


I am dying here.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:36 PM ET
I am dying here.
- Elbows15


It's gold Bows...gold!!!
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jun 13 @ 9:36 PM ET
Trading Sharp a PPG player is stupid - it makes no sense.

Sharp- Toews -Hossa
Saad - Kesler - Kane
xxxx - Shaw - Versteeg
xxxx - Kruger - Morin

You think ANY TEAM could matchup with that?

From a coaching perspective that would cause teams to seriously panic - even contenders.

With Kesler LA doesn't beat the Hawks.

- Tazer19

You calling Sharp a point per game player proves you have no clue what you're talking about.
eburgio
Location: SF, CA
Joined: 07.18.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:38 PM ET
It's basic logic - which teams have the actual assets to acquire Kesler without destroying their team and farm system????

Given Keslers list - show me some assets from other teams they can afford to give up to acquire Kesler.

It's called addition by subtraction.

Now, I'm quite aware that Benning has no desire to trade Kesler to the Blackhawks, however the Blackhawks are really the only team with the required assets to really make a deal for him - which completely legitimizes JJ's claim that the "asking price is too high" - that really translates into "I don't want to trade Kesler to Chicago."

IMO, it will be Benning coming back at the draft trying to sell Kesler to Bowman. It will be another Luongo situation.

I don't know if you have any hobbies or do any trading of any sort but I have plenty experience in trading items, so I can clearly see the game being played here. This sounds like the basic "bluff" where someone holds out and then soon enough there are no buyers, then that individual will lower his price just to move the item....

The real problem in the West is that no team wants to see Chicago get better, because they want to win too - and that is the real issue involved in this potential trade.

- Tazer19


1. The first thing bolded I can agree with. I'm sure he doesn't want to trade with Chicago and it's conceivable that the asking price for the Hawks is much higher than it might be for Pittsburgh or Philly, for example..

2. Baseball cards do not count
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:39 PM ET
You calling Sharp a point per game player proves you have no clue what you're talking about.
- Ogilthorpe2

Yeah, that was the point that proved it.
tomcat24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Gomer's Pyle, IL
Joined: 06.04.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:40 PM ET
Hard to believe just 2 weeks away from the draft. It is going to be tough waiting. My favorite day of the year. Still wonder which picks play right away? Ekblad will. Many think reinhart and draisaitl will, too.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:41 PM ET
1. The first thing bolded I can agree with. I'm sure he doesn't want to trade with Chicago and it's conceivable that the asking price for the Hawks is much higher than it might be for Pittsburgh or Philly, for example..

2. Baseball cards do not count

- eburgio[/quote
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I was thinking of Go Fish.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 13 @ 9:42 PM ET
Hard to believe just 2 weeks away from the draft. It is going to be tough waiting. My favorite day of the year. Still wonder which picks play right away? Ekblad will. Many think reinhart and draisaitl will, too.
- tomcat24




Cant wait .

i do love arguing over bullschhit though
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:43 PM ET
Here's the link on the thing I saw about the upcoming cap....

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...-could-exceed-70-million/
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:44 PM ET
Cant wait .

i do love arguing over bullschhit though

- mrpaulish


The draft is on a Friday this year?
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:45 PM ET
Cant wait .

i do love arguing over bullschhit though

- mrpaulish


Good times fo shore.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:45 PM ET
The draft is on a Friday this year?
- StLBravesFan

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Friday and Saturday.
tomcat24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Gomer's Pyle, IL
Joined: 06.04.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:46 PM ET
Cant wait .

i do love arguing over bullschhit though

- mrpaulish

I like arguing over movies or music more. This draft might be the most exciting one in years. I think a lot of deals will be made. Bettman will probably get a sore throat with all the trades he will be announcing. I hope he knows how to pronounce teravainen
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:46 PM ET
Good times fo shore.
- HawkintheD

Will Florida retain 50% of his salary?
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