Meh, Kane is good, but not a player I'd mortgage the future on.
- sensarmy_11

I would offer that ,just to drive up price for the jets .Helping a gm like that could help us to try and pry one of those defenders out of there....Bogo

I have a blind spot when it comes to Kane. Just love the hard edge to his game. When Murray keeps talking about wanting a hard top 6 player I think Evander Kane and say a small prayer.
- spatso

I'd rather overpay Callahan at $5.5 M as a free agent or trade for Richards at his salary ($5.75 I think) and keep all those young guys that we have then trade away everything we've stocked up...

I dont think we can give that much for him though.If we offered that Kane would be a sen

- top shelf 15

Murray has never been afraid to pay a fair price. It is why he has had some big deals. Winnipeg will not contend until that get some goaltending relief. I think Murray can find something that works for both sides. Way too much attention is paid to the short term concern over which side won the trade.

I'd rather overpay Callahan at $5.5 M as a free agent or trade for Richards at his salary ($5.75 I think) and keep all those young guys that we have then trade away everything we've stocked up...
- riceroni

I think you'd have to pay more to get Callahan, but I agree with the rest

Murray has never been afraid to pay a fair price. It is why he has had some big deals. Winnipeg will not contend until that get some goaltending relief. I think Murray can find something that works for both sides. Way too much attention is paid to the short term concern over which side won the trade.
- spatso

So you want us to 'not hit a homerun' on the Spezza deal and turn around and overpay for Kane? That's lunacy man... Stick to trying to fix the Leafs because this line of thinking will set the Sens back 3-4 years easily. Kane is good... but not worth the package you just said... Also, there are going to be 'hard' wingers available through UFA or trade that can bridge the gap until Lazar is ready for top line minutes or so is Stone or Puempel.

That would be a terrible deal.

I know everyone has a hard on for Lazar but Lehner is the real prize in that deal. I would not trade Lehner straight up for Kane!

The fact is that Lehner will soon be our goalie of the future and if the Sens will be a team that wins championships or contends in the next decade it will be on the back of Lehner more so than on the back of Karlsson!
- riceroni

Maybe. Doing big deals is really hard. Edmonton has wasted a tremendous opportunity because they could not pull the trigger on a few deals to be able to build around their stable of talented players.

Murray has never been afraid to pay a fair price. It is why he has had some big deals. Winnipeg will not contend until that get some goaltending relief. I think Murray can find something that works for both sides. Way too much attention is paid to the short term concern over which side won the trade.
- spatso

Its a possibilty i would suppose.But with EM holding his cash close ,i cant see them offering that much cheap youth ,for a player that already has a long contraxt.Also moving Lehner forces us to give Anderson a contract ,it just doesnt add up to me spats

Maybe. Doing big deals is really hard. Edmonton has wasted a tremendous opportunity because they could not pull the trigger on a few deals to be able to build around their stable of talented players.
- spatso

I'd much rather stick to the kids and have the team grow together than to get a locker room distraction like E Kane. Ottawa is nowhere near winning it all next season and the acquisition of Kane doesn't at all get us into the conversation of contenders. Let the kids grow into their roles more and next year or the one after that start to acqire some more top end talent that can help us win then.

Remember the crying after Murray offered up Silfverburg, Noesen and a #1 for Ryan. Too much, too much everyone said. I was not a big fan of the Ryan deal, I don't like trading the #1 pick. But, Kane is a lot more of what I look for in a player than just about anyone.

Remember the crying after Murray offered up Silfverburg, Noesen and a #1 for Ryan. Too much, too much everyone said. I was not a big fan of the Ryan deal, I don't like trading the #1 pick. But, Kane is a lot more of what I look for in a player than just about anyone.
- spatso

I don't remember a lot of people (other than trolls, Sens haters, and prock) who said it was an overpayment.

I thought it was a great deal, still do

Remember the crying after Murray offered up Silfverburg, Noesen and a #1 for Ryan. Too much, too much everyone said. I was not a big fan of the Ryan deal, I don't like trading the #1 pick. But, Kane is a lot more of what I look for in a player than just about anyone.
- spatso

But Silf was at best a 2nd liner, Noosen a 3rd liner and the pick was SUPPOSED to be in the 20's...

Lazar is supposed to be a 2nd liner (potential 1st line winger), Lehner is supposed to be a #1 G and the 1st round pick (which we would be getting back by trading our 1st line C) is the #10 pick for Kane!!!!

I'd pay a good price for Kane but no reason to overpay for him and set the team back. Spatso, you seem to know a bit about action theory. So you know that you should never overbid for any asset. You end up with negative utility in the long run.

Its a possibilty i would suppose.But with EM holding his cash close ,i cant see them offering that much cheap youth ,for a player that already has a long contraxt.Also moving Lehner forces us to give Anderson a contract ,it just doesnt add up to me spats

- top shelf 15

I was asked to give an example of Ottawa having the assets to make a fair offer for Kane. I did not look at it in terms of would I do it. My point is Ottawa is in a position to make a good offer, even multiple variations on the offer.

I was asked to give an example of Ottawa having the assets to make a fair offer for Kane. I did not look at it in terms of would I do it. My point is Ottawa is in a position to make a good offer, even multiple variations on the offer.
- spatso

Oh ok ,iam thinking Anderson will be moved out west also ,Van is a good fit,they look alot like us after our cup run .Kesler will be the first vet to go ,the sedins will be the last.They should still be a playoff team however,and could spook a few big dogs .Thus giving the fans some enterainment ,while their core is being rebuilt

I was asked to give an example of Ottawa having the assets to make a fair offer for Kane. I did not look at it in terms of would I do it. My point is Ottawa is in a position to make a good offer, even multiple variations on the offer.
- spatso

Every team has the assets required to get any player........when asked to give an example, it should be implied that it be realistic

I was asked to give an example of Ottawa having the assets to make a fair offer for Kane. I did not look at it in terms of would I do it. My point is Ottawa is in a position to make a good offer, even multiple variations on the offer.
- spatso

If I were Ottawa and wanted to make a pitch for Kane here's what I would offer...

I'd first look at Kane as a distressed asset and I would discount his value (to me) based on that. If another team however feels he's worth more and decides to offer more than I could then they win Kane at the price they'be paid. But, for me I'd only offer what I thought was fair for a distressed asset.

My offer would be....

Stone, Da Costa (rights), Weircioch and 2015 2nd.

But Silf was at best a 2nd liner, Noosen a 3rd liner and the pick was SUPPOSED to be in the 20's...

Lazar is supposed to be a 2nd liner (potential 1st line winger), Lehner is supposed to be a #1 G and the 1st round pick (which we would be getting back by trading our 1st line C) is the #10 pick for Kane!!!!

I'd pay a good price for Kane but no reason to overpay for him and set the team back. Spatso, you seem to know a bit about action theory. So you know that you should never overbid for any asset. You end up with negative utility in the long run.
- riceroni

Understand. But, I was just responding to the comment that Ottawa could not make a good offer for Kane unless they gave up Ryan. But, your offer has to have enough on the top end so the Jets are interested in talking. So, it has to be one of Lehner, or Zibanejad, or Lazar as a starting point. All the rest gets massaged with stuff added in to make it acceptable to both sides. By the time your finished Ottawa has done a deal for both Kane and Byfluglien.

I don't remember a lot of people (other than trolls, Sens haters, and prock) who said it was an overpayment.

I thought it was a great deal, still do
- sensarmy_11

Same .Silf is a very good position player ,but little else.As far as the pick and prospect i will say with realitive certainty ,that neither become what bobby ryan is

Understand. But, I was just responding to the comment that Ottawa could not make a good offer for Kane unless they gave up Ryan. But, your offer has to have enough on the top end so the Jets are interested in talking. So, it has to be one of Lehner, or Zibanejad, or Lazar as a starting point. All the rest gets massaged with stuff added in to make it acceptable to both sides. By the time your finished Ottawa has done a deal for both Kane and Bogo.
- spatso

FIXED This is what i want

If I were Ottawa and wanted to make a pitch for Kane here's what I would offer...

I'd first look at Kane as a distressed asset and I would discount his value (to me) based on that. If another team however feels he's worth more and decides to offer more than I could then they win Kane at the price they'be paid. But, for me I'd only offer what I thought was fair for a distressed asset.

My offer would be....

Stone, Da Costa (rights), Weircioch and 2015 2nd.
- riceroni

But Kane is not a distressed asset. Lots of young guys coming into the league get labelled and it sticks until everybody gets a fresh start. Bobby Ryan had lots of negatives, including questions about whether he was a good team player. Now he is being mentioned as deserving of an A or even the C. What irony, Ryan could mentor Kane.

But the larger question has to do with fair value. Murray has a reputation as being a fair and honest trader. He will not try to screw over Winnipeg, it is not his style. He can only get Kane if he makes the best offer. Some people other than Prock are still thinking Murray gave away a future all star to get Turris (love Turris),

FIXED This is what i want

- top shelf 15

Would not disagree. Local boy from other side of the big river. Great team player. Would cost more than Buf. It is often speculated that Buf might be available. Never seen anything regarding Bogosian.

But Kane is not a distressed asset. Lots of young guys coming into the league get labelled and it sticks until everybody gets a fresh start. Bobby Ryan had lots of negatives, including questions about whether he was a good team player. Now he is being mentioned as deserving of an A or even the C. What irony, Ryan could mentor Kane.

But the larger question has to do with fair value. Murray has a reputation as being a fair and honest trader. He will not try to screw over Winnipeg, it is not his style. He can only get Kane if he makes the best offer. Some people other than Prock are still thinking Murray gave away a future all star to get Turris (love Turris),
- spatso

Kane is a distressed asset and Ottawa should not offer anywhere close to what he's worth if he was an actual team player. The fact is, that he's a project. Kane in Winnipeg is damaged goods. You're taking a chance on him by bringing him to your team.

I don't want Murray to have a reputation of being 'fair and honest' wrt trades. I want to FLEECE another GM. Pay for what a guy is worth right now but the guy who we trade for should grow and be worth more in a few years than what we gave up for is worth at that time! Our GM isn't there to make other teams better than their own.

Would not disagree. Local boy from other side of the big river. Great team player. Would cost more than Buf. It is often speculated that Buf might be available. Never seen anything regarding Bogosian.
- spatso

Iam just in dreamland tbh .Him and Ek on the first pair.......

Kane is a distressed asset and Ottawa should not offer anywhere close to what he's worth if he was an actual team player. The fact is, that he's a project. Kane in Winnipeg is damaged goods. You're taking a chance on him by bringing him to your team.

I don't want Murray to have a reputation of being 'fair and honest' wrt trades. I want to FLEECE another GM. Pay for what a guy is worth right now but the guy who we trade for should grow and be worth more in a few years than what we gave up for is worth at that time! Our GM isn't there to make other teams better than their own.
- riceroni

Do this too much and you become Glen Sather ,the price he paid for Nash and Stlouis

Kane is a distressed asset and Ottawa should not offer anywhere close to what he's worth if he was an actual team player. The fact is, that he's a project. Kane in Winnipeg is damaged goods. You're taking a chance on him by bringing him to your team.

I don't want Murray to have a reputation of being 'fair and honest' wrt trades. I want to FLEECE another GM. Pay for what a guy is worth right now but the guy who we trade for should grow and be worth more in a few years than what we gave up for is worth at that time! Our GM isn't there to make other teams better than their own.
- riceroni

Understand. You want to win every battle and you believe if you win every battle you will always win the war. But, we know that is not true. At some point you will lose a big battle and the war with it.

Guess we lowballed Hemsky a bit ,rumored offer was 3 years and 10 mil .Meh tbh i think its a fair offer.I like hemmer but not at 5.5 mil per season