Yes he did. Like I said, if you assume they wanted Schenn at center (which they tried to do even after Vinny came back), then he has no spot.
- jmatchett383

I think Berube definitely wants Schenn at center. I don't think that was the case under Laviolette. That has to be considered when looking at the signing.

I don't think you can call them assumptions if they're based on quotes that came straight out of the horse's mouth.
- Tomahawk

That's all heresay, hogwash, hootenanny, and horseradish.

I think Berube definitely wants Schenn at center. I don't think that was the case under Laviolette. That has to be considered when looking at the signing.
- MJL

Fair enough. So yes, at the time, he had a role. Under the new regime, that does not seem to be the case.

I don't think you can call them assumptions if they're based on quotes that came straight out of the horse's mouth.
- Tomahawk

Yes, they certainly can be called assumptions. Because I've read time and again, what Hextall said in interviews taken out of context.

Fair enough. So yes, at the time, he had a role. Under the new regime, that does not seem to be the case.
- jmatchett383

Well that's a big issue, and why it might not be a bad idea to try and trade him. He is a veteran player that at this point, doesn't have a clear role in the lineup.

He's not a real #1. He's a slower Coburn with more offense and a massive contract.
- Feanor

I disagree. Yes he is slower, so was Pronger but he was still very effective. He has more offensive and defensive ability and he makes less crucial mistakes than Coburn while maintaining a plus player rating before the Leafs went in full collapse mode which happens every year back before Phaneuf even was a leaf. If we were to grab him I would expect the Leafs to keep some of the cap hit anyways unless they took Vinny off our hands

That's all heresay, hogwash, hootenanny, and horseradish.
- jmatchett383

youarewrong... but I do like horseradish.

youarewrong... but I do like horseradish.
- Tomahawk

youarewrong doesn't start with the letter h. youarebanned

I think Berube definitely wants Schenn at center. I don't think that was the case under Laviolette. That has to be considered when looking at the signing.
- MJL

Simmonds-schenn-read... I like

youarewrong doesn't start with the letter h. youarebanned
- jmatchett383

You're taking my quotes out of context...

You're taking my quotes out of context...
- Tomahawk

I'm just stating the facts.

Simmonds-schenn-read... I like
- JoeRussomanno

As much as I would be curious to see Read in a scoring role, his chemistry with Couturier is amazing, and I'd be hesitant to break them up.

I'm just stating the facts.
- jmatchett383

Yet another misuse of facts... I see you're now choosing to attack the poster, instead of refuting the points made in the post... /outraged

Phaneuf routinely plays the toughest minutes, in the most over scrutinized market, on a poorly run team.

Sorry, he IS a legitimate number one defenseman in the NHL. People may not like him, but he is a very good player. Note I didn't say elite. He's not Chara. Nor is he Doughty.

But he would be the best defenseman in Philly by a good bit.

Avoiding Phaneuf because Timonen is signed may just be the least logical statement I've heard. A 40 year old guy taking one kick at the Cup vs a 29 year old, first pair defenseman?

All that said, Phaneuf wouldn't be my first option. I don't like his contract, but it's also not a horrible deal. My concerns are tied more to age and the length of the deal. Some defensemen aged great and were still very good at age 37 (Phaneuf's age at end of deal). Others were not.

There's other options out there, but I'd be open to Dion.
- Jsaquella

I agree. I in no way would give up Schenn or Couturier. Laughton however is a young Center that probably will never play for the Flyers unless he pushes Couturier out of the picture which doesn't seem likely. To me it looks as if Laughton could become equal to Coots at best. Add him in a package with a bad contract to negate Dions and maybe throw in Grossman.

As much as I would be curious to see Read in a scoring role, his chemistry with Couturier is amazing, and I'd be hesitant to break them up.
- jmatchett383

True but i still wanna see read in a scoring role

I agree. I in no way would give up Schenn or Couturier. Laughton however is a young Center that probably will never play for the Flyers unless he pushes Couturier out of the picture which doesn't seem likely. To me it looks as if Laughton could become equal to Coots at best. Add him in a package with a bad contract to negate Dions and maybe throw in Grossman.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Or Laughton could move to wing or something

I agree. I in no way would give up Schenn or Couturier. Laughton however is a young Center that probably will never play for the Flyers unless he pushes Couturier out of the picture which doesn't seem likely. To me it looks as if Laughton could become equal to Coots at best. Add him in a package with a bad contract to negate Dions and maybe throw in Grossman.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

U wouldnt give up your third line center for a #1defenseman?

Actually that would do it for me as well.
- MBFlyerfan

I would go with that as well. Swapping salary for a few years and the cap in a few years goes up and up. The 7 mill would be more like 5 within a few years

Plus its an under 35 contract, if Phaneuf suffers a career ending injury he can retire cleanly, as could VL

Shame the Leafs already used their compliance buyouts....

I agree. I in no way would give up Schenn or Couturier. Laughton however is a young Center that probably will never play for the Flyers unless he pushes Couturier out of the picture which doesn't seem likely. To me it looks as if Laughton could become equal to Coots at best. Add him in a package with a bad contract to negate Dions and maybe throw in Grossman.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Laughton, the guy who was chosen as captain of Canada's WJC team and was one of the leading scorers in the OHL despite missing a ton of games, will never play for the Flyers? I think most people are slotting him in to anchor the 4th line this year.

I would go with that as well. Swapping salary for a few years and the cap in a few years goes up and up. The 7 mill would be more like 5 within a few years

Plus its an under 35 contract, if Phaneuf suffers a career ending injury he can retire cleanly, as could VL

Shame the Leafs already used their compliance buyouts....
- Steelmanpa

I don't think they'd CBO him. They'd be able to get some minimal return for him if it came to that and they really wanted him gone.

U wouldnt give up your third line center for a #1defenseman?
- JoeRussomanno

Nope - if you are counting Couts as that third line center. For a true #1 defender I'd waive goodbye to B Schenn though.

Shame the Leafs already used their compliance buyouts....
- Steelmanpa

Would you be willing to move #17 + #48 to BUF for #31 + #49 in the upcoming draft to have them CBO Vinny for us?

Would you be willing to move #17 + #48 to BUF for #31 + #49 in the upcoming draft to have them CBO Vinny for us?
- Tomahawk

WHAT!?!?

Nope - if you are counting Couts as that third line center. For a true #1 defender I'd waive goodbye to B Schenn though.
- FlyersGrace

I think youre overvaluing couturier

WHAT!?!?
- jmatchett383

Lol wait, nvm, Vinny isn't CBO-able.