Exactly, how much are you willing to pony up for this stat line:


2009-10 Edmonton Oilers NHL 22 7 15 22 8 7 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 Edmonton Oilers NHL 47 14 28 42 18 3 -- -- -- -- --
2011-12 Edmonton Oilers NHL 69 10 26 36 43 -13 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Pardubice HC Czech 27 14 18 32 52 5 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Edmonton Oilers NHL 38 9 11 20 16 -6 -- -- -- -- --
2013-14 Edmonton Oilers NHL 55 9 17 26 20 -13 -- -- -- --
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2013-14 Ottawa Senators NHL 20 4 13 17 4 -2 -- -- -- -- --


That certainly seems more 3.3 mil versus 5.5
- Cup 06

Yep agreed ,if we could snag a good two way center a 1st and a prospect iam good with that for JS .

So do we still like pouliot or is it still stewart for the third line??

Rumors of Berglund /Stewart/Pouliot etc .Makes me believe that Lazar ,s line is being made for him

- top shelf 15

Two years ago Murray added Turris, a player who was holding out and did not want to play for Pheonix. Last year he traded for Ryan, a player with "issues."

Who will be this year's problem child?

Exactly, how much are you willing to pony up for this stat line:


2009-10 Edmonton Oilers NHL 22 7 15 22 8 7 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 Edmonton Oilers NHL 47 14 28 42 18 3 -- -- -- -- --
2011-12 Edmonton Oilers NHL 69 10 26 36 43 -13 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Pardubice HC Czech 27 14 18 32 52 5 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Edmonton Oilers NHL 38 9 11 20 16 -6 -- -- -- -- --
2013-14 Edmonton Oilers NHL 55 9 17 26 20 -13 -- -- -- --
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2013-14 Ottawa Senators NHL 20 4 13 17 4 -2 -- -- -- -- --


That certainly seems more 3.3 mil versus 5.5
- Cup 06

Agreed. His possession numbers are great, and justify acquiring him, but when paying the guy, these are the numbers I want the gm looking at.

Two years ago Murray added Turris, a player who was holding out and did not want to play for Pheonix. Last year he traded for Ryan, a player with "issues."

Who will be this year's problem child?
- spatso

Just stop, we aren't getting Kane

Yep agreed ,if we could snag a good two way center a 1st and a prospect iam good with that for JS .

So do we still like pouliot or is it still stewart for the third line??
- top shelf 15

We like Pouliot but so do the Rangers. They will likely want to keep that Zuccarello-Brasssard-Pouliout line together.

I still think the Rangers will make a big push for Spezza. A deal can get "creative" between the two.

Two years ago Murray added Turris, a player who was holding out and did not want to play for Pheonix. Last year he traded for Ryan, a player with "issues."

Who will be this year's problem child?
- spatso

Phaneuf???
I kid i kid.The more i look at Berglund the more iam warming to him ,big swedish center.Can pot 20 goals,i only hope is that that shoulder isnt going to keep him off the ice for too long

We like Pouliot but so do the Rangers. They will likely want to keep that Zuccarello-Brasssard-Pouliout line together.

I still think the Rangers will make a big push for Spezza. A deal can get "creative" between the two.
- Cup 06

Define "creative"......and your definition better not include the words "Richards" or "Nash"

Just stop, we aren't getting Kane
- sensarmy_11

He may be the biggest wiener in the league but that said Murray did kick the tires on him last offseason.

I prefer to stay away. I'll take Bogosian though.

We like Pouliot but so do the Rangers. They will likely want to keep that Zuccarello-Brasssard-Pouliout line together.

I still think the Rangers will make a big push for Spezza. A deal can get "creative" between the two.
- Cup 06

Ok so Marc Stall signed and a pick then and iam good

Is it possible that they are tanking for a shot at McDavid?

Or is ownership and management that bad.

Ok so Marc Stall signed and a pick then and iam good

- top shelf 15

I find staal hasn't looked nearly as good since coming back from that nasty injury. Not saying I wouldn't want him, but still......

Is it possible that they are tanking for a shot at McDavid?

Or is ownership and management that bad.
- Aetherial

They didn't overpay for hemsky, so that makes management bad?

Is it possible that they are tanking for a shot at McDavid?

Or is ownership and management that bad.
- Aetherial

No, Mcdavid will be put on a us team.None of us here in canada will ever see a player like him

No, Mcdavid will be put on a us team.None of us here in canada will ever see a player like him

- top shelf 15

I don't know, the leafs might be bad enough.....especially if they trade their only good dman.

I find staal hasn't looked nearly as good since coming back from that nasty injury. Not saying I wouldn't want him, but still......
- sensarmy_11

Yeah i was spitballing a bit .Who do we want from the rags ??If its not a defender,what forwards are gunning for ??

I don't know, the leafs might be bad enough.....especially if they trade their only good dman.
- sensarmy_11

That market would kill him ,if he didnt produce crosby type numbers in his first year .He would be included as a throw in, the following year on some trade that lets them tread water for another year

Define "creative"......and your definition better not include the words "Richards" or "Nash"


- sensarmy_11

Sens eat half of Spezza's final year 3.5cap hit, cost 2mil in actual salary

Rangers eat half of Staal's final year 2mil cap hit,actual salary 2.75mil.

As an example, numbers are ballpark

Yeah i was spitballing a bit .Who do we want from the rags ??If its not a defender,what forwards are gunning for ??
- top shelf 15

Forget about dealing with Rangers, it will bite us in the ass.

Turris, zibanejad, MacArthur, lazar


Talented and young players, 3 of whom aren't even close to their prime yet.
- sensarmy_11

So I guess it's going to be a choice between those guys, or a spot on someone like Giroux's wing, with Voracek, BSchenn, Simmonds, Couturier, Hartnell, or something like that.

Tough choice.

Just curious about two things:

1) Whether the offer is insulting or not, did anyone actually think that the Senators were going to sign him?

I mean, it's been abundantly clear that there was very little interest in retaining Hemsky at market value, they've never been cryptic about that. So they take a shot and see if he'll work for that contract. Everyone knew he wouldn't, but better to make an offer just to see what happens.

However, I wouldn't be so concerned with insulting a player by offering him less than what his market value will be. It is what it is, Ottawa is prepared to pay a certain amount, they're on a budget and frankly they've got much bigger contracts coming up that they'll need to pay market value on, or perhaps even slightly above, just to retain their core talent. Hemsky was never gonna get market value from Ottawa, he knew this, the Senators knew this, so be it. He's definitely worth more than what he was being offered, but he'll also probably earn more than he's worth on the open market. So, good for him.

2) Regarding Da Costa, they couldn't offer him a one-way contract. He's a fringe NHL'er that hasn't shown the consistency he needs to play in this league every day. By signing him to a one-way deal, you're basically guaranteeing that Lazar is going back to junior, because you've already got your top two centres locked up in Turris and Zibanejad, if Smith doesn't get moved that'll be three, and there's no way they're sending Lazar back to the Oil Kings. There's your 4 centres this year. Unless Smith gets traded, and if he does, Grant showed last year that he can definitely play 4th line minutes, and frankly he probably does it without taking 75% of the dumb penalties that Smith takes anyways. Drag that Da Costa bolts to Russia, but it's not like they were going to get an asset back for him anyways, he passed through waivers last year on a two-way, no one in the league would have given him a one-way.

The amount of negativity surrounding the Senators is staggering, and it is largely being created by taking stories like a lowball offer to Hemsky, or losing Conacher for nothing, or trading Bishop for nothing, and letting them run. Eugene has said he won't spend to the cap. He's obviously in a dire situation financially. I don't think this is a case of him penny-pinching, I think this is a case of him doing what he can to remain financially solvent. I have a pretty good feeling that he's going to sell this team, and hopefully the ownership group that buys them will commit to spending the money necessary to put a marquis group on the ice.

But I would encourage ALL of you to stop being so f***ing negative all the time over things like perceived sleights against Ales Hemsky, and instead focus on what you have. The team going on the ice next year might not be a Stanley Cup contender, but they're going to be pretty damn entertaining to watch.

In 1999, the leading scorer on the Tampa Bay Lighting, with 43 points, was Darcy Tucker. They won 19 out of 82 games. Their starting goalie had a GAA of 3.52 and that was in the dead puck era. Vincent Lecavalier had just finished his rookie season with 28 points in 82 games.

And six years later they won the Stanley Cup, with a grand total of THREE players left from the 1999 team.

Ottawa might not be a contender, but they're way farther ahead than Tampa was in 1999. They'll be a contender soon, very soon. 2-3 years. They will retain Ryan. They'll sign their RFA's. Phillips and Neil will retire and be replaced from within. It might feel like the sky is falling, but they aren't nearly as bad as everyone is making them out to be. Eugene is broke, he needs to sell the team, we all know. But you need to stop making such a fuss about it and focus on the guys you have instead. Dredging up negativity and putting such a bad vibe around the team is exactly what keeps the Leafs from ever achieving what they should be capable of. You're supposed to be better than that, Senators fans.

So I guess it's going to be a choice between those guys, or a spot on someone like Giroux's wing, with Voracek, BSchenn, Simmonds, Couturier, Hartnell, or something like that.

Tough choice.
- prock

Now do the blueline
Old and broken

Just stop, we aren't getting Kane
- sensarmy_11

Well I will just have to accept the other problem child. ROR is not a bad fit.

Sens eat half of Spezza's final year 3.5cap hit, cost 2mil in actual salary

Rangers eat half of Staal's final year 2mil cap hit,actual salary 2.75mil.

As an example, numbers are ballpark
- Cup 06

I wouldn't do spezza straight up for staal. He's been little more than an avg dman for the last 3 seasons.....and has missed almost 80 games to injury in that same time

Well I will just have to accept the other problem child. ROR is not a bad fit.
- spatso

We need to make a push for one of those players. ROR seems like the better fit IMO.

Forget about dealing with Rangers, it will bite us in the ass.
- TheCalSen

Hey if they want to include names like Kreider and Stephan ,i think we should listen