Because we won't have bloated salaries on this team in two years. Risto might get 4-5, Pysyk 3-4, Stafford if he's here, 3-4, Neuvirth and Enroth maybe 3 a piece. I still don't see the issue. Who else is there? I mean with those guys, getting those raises today, barely puts us over the floor.
- TheSabresTaco

Those are just the players who are here. I assume other trades and signings (top picks and all that) will be made. If this team is trying to be competitive in 2 years it will probably be spending somewhere close to the cap sans Moulson. Having him there tying up valuable cap space doesn't bode well for us.

Talent over size everyday. If you build your team on the premise that size is most important element, you'll have a pretty bad team.

If a 5'10 player is straight up more talented than someone who's 6'4 and 230 you take the under 6 foot player every time.
- Sabresfan-365

...2007 Sabres?

Let's play on the assumption that it actually is 75 million which seems to be conservative. I guarantee the Sabres figure out a way to make it come together. I feel like some folks just see a number and


- TheSabresTaco

Or just don't want to see this team paying 7 mil a year for a fringe 3rd liner in 3-4 years(Callahan).

He doesn't have to be the number one guy, that's supposed to be Myers job.
- dadeadhead

And how did this fan base react when someone got paid and under preformed?

Niskanen is gonna get bank, and while I wouldn't complain seeing him get a Wisniewski like deal, he would need to produce more than Hoff did which I think is unlikely

And how did this fan base react when someone got paid and under preformed?

Niskanen is gonna get bank, and while I wouldn't complain seeing him get a Wisniewski like deal, he would need to produce more than Hoff did which I think is unlikely
- sbroads24

All I'm saying is his age fits the rebuild most out of any other UFA. In 3yrs he's Hoff's age when they signed him.


I still say just avoid the top end UFA guys at this point.

Those are just the players who are here. I assume other trades and signings (top picks and all that) will be made. If this team is trying to be competitive in 2 years it will probably be spending somewhere close to the cap sans Moulson. Having him there tying up valuable cap space doesn't bode well for us.
- Sabresfan-365

Ok, but what I'm saying is that in two years our draft picks other than Risto from 13', 14' and 15' will have extremely small cap hits. Moulson is a top 6 forward and deserves money. He's a useful player and can hardly be seen as a detriment to your cap. Unless we trade for Thorton, Marleau, Spezza and EKane and sign Cally, Moulson and PKane, which sure as poop won't happen, I honestly think this team will not hit a cap problem, especially in two years.

Talent over size everyday. If you build your team on the premise that size is most important element, you'll have a pretty bad team.

If a 5'10 player is straight up more talented than someone who's 6'4 and 230 you take the under 6 foot player every time.
- Sabresfan-365

Fun fact: Sidney Crosby is under 6 foot.

Or just don't want to see this team paying 7 mil a year for a fringe 3rd liner in 3-4 years(Callahan).
- dadeadhead

See, that argument is much more valid than not wanting Moulson to get 6.

Ok, but what I'm saying is that in two years our draft picks other than Risto will have extremely small cap hits. Moulson is a top 6 forward and deserves money. He's a useful player and can hardly be seen as a detriment to your cap. Unless we trade for Thorton, Marleau, Spezza and EKane and sign Cally, Moulson and PKane, which sure as poop won't happen, I honestly think this team will not hit a cap problem, especially in two years.
- TheSabresTaco

You don't see them making a big trade in 2 years? I suspect they'll make that sort of move in the 2015 off season.

If the plan is to be bad for a while or at least much longer than 2 years than yea it's not so bad because you won't be making those kinds of trades.

Fun fact: Sidney Crosby is under 6 foot.



- HonkFortheGoose

Yep, wonder how many people told him he was too short

See, that argument is much more valid than not wanting Moulson to get 6.
- TheSabresTaco

In 3yrs Moulson is more than likely a 3rd liner on this team. His foot speed isn't the greatest and is the 1st thing to go. You now have 2-3 more years of a guy making 6 on the 3rd line.

This is why I have a no more than 3yr contract for the majority of top UFA guys.

You don't see them making a big trade in 2 years? I suspect they'll make that sort of move in the 2015 off season.

If the plan is to be bad for a while or at least much longer than 2 years than yea it's not so bad because you won't be making those kinds of trades.
- Sabresfan-365

I absolutely do. But like you said. It's a trade. And it won't be for ALL those guys, maybe none of them. I think we'll add in FA after Murray locks onto a trade target or two. We'll apply maybe two top 6 forwards with giving salary up in return. I still cease to believe we'll have any sort of cap problems for a long time.

Yep, wonder how many people told him he was too short
- Sabresfan-365

Tom Cruise is too short.

He still sucks.

In 3yrs Moulson is more than likely a 3rd liner on this team. His foot speed isn't the greatest and is the 1st thing to go. You now have 2-3 more years of a guy making 6 on the 3rd line.

This is why I have a no more than 3yr contract for the majority of top UFA guys.
- dadeadhead

You may be right. But he may have enough gas to make it another 5 years without him dropping to a checking line. If that is the case, the contract is worth it. Hell, it's FA, these guys are going to get paid but they also know their age will affect the final number.

All I'm saying is his age fits the rebuild most out of any other UFA. In 3yrs he's Hoff's age when they signed him.


I still say just avoid the top end UFA guys at this point.
- dadeadhead

I'm not against singing Niskanen at all. He's a solid 3-5 guy.

IMO though he will become another public enemy because he won't produce like he did in Pitt on this team

I absolutely do. But like you said. It's a trade. And it won't be for ALL those guys, maybe none of them. I think we'll add in FA after Murray locks onto a trade target or two. We'll apply maybe two top 6 forwards with giving salary up in return. I still cease to believe we'll have any sort of cap problems for a long time.
- TheSabresTaco

I think the main difference here is what you and I think he may be in a few years. If he can continue to be an effective top 6 forward for 6 more years than I could see the allure (cap problems or not). Personally though, I don't think he will be which is why I hesitate to have him take up 6 mil of the cap to put up 3rd line numbers.

You may be right. But he may have enough gas to make it another 5 years without him dropping to a checking line. If that is the case, the contract is worth it. Hell, it's FA, these guys are going to get paid but they also know their age will affect the final number.
- TheSabresTaco

IMO this isn't the offseason you go top guy UFA shopping.


Make a deal like the rumored Scuds and 22 or an Umberger deal for the short term. Look to make the splash signing maybe, maybe next offseason, but definitely the following offseason.

I think the main difference here is what you and I think he may be in a few years. If he can continue to be an effective top 6 forward for 6 more years than I could see the allure (cap problems or not). Personally though, I don't think he will be which is why I hesitate to have him take up 6 mil of the cap to put up 3rd line numbers.
- Sabresfan-365

yea that's what I kinda just said to DD. The way you worded this statement, I wouldn't disagree with you. There's a lot of ifs going into his next contract. If we got him for 4/20 I'd be ecstatic.

I'm not against singing Niskanen at all. He's a solid 3-5 guy.

IMO though he will become another public enemy because he won't produce like he did in Pitt on this team
- sbroads24

Like I said, in all reality, I stay away from big time shopping.

Maybe overpay a Setoguchi type guy for 3 yrs.

IMO this isn't the offseason you go top guy UFA shopping.


Make a deal like the rumored Scuds and 22 or an Umberger deal for the short term. Look to make the splash signing maybe, maybe next offseason, but definitely the following offseason.
- dadeadhead

One way or the other, this team needs to obtain like 10 million dollars. There's going to be a big contract or two on the roster, and I wouldn't mind if Moulson was one of them. As far as the timeline goes, yeah, I hope we don't fingerblast the cap with pricey players for like 3 years.

Tom Cruise is too short.

He still sucks.
- grand-magus

Emma Stone is 5'5 and Scarlett Johansson is 5'2


I win

Emma Stone is 5'5 and Scarlett Johansson is 5'2


I win


- Sabresfan-365

Yes. Yes, you do.

yea that's what I kinda just said to DD. The way you worded this statement, I wouldn't disagree with you. There's a lot of ifs going into his next contract. If we got him for 4/20 I'd be ecstatic.
- TheSabresTaco[/quote]

Me too, I'd even give him 3x20 but he'd have to really love buffalo to want either deal

yea that's what I kinda just said to DD. The way you worded this statement, I wouldn't disagree with you. There's a lot of ifs going into his next contract. If we got him for 4/20 I'd be ecstatic.
- TheSabresTaco

Something I learned while in the collection industry from the owner of the company, "Don't throw away good money going after bad money". That is big time UFA shopping this offseason for a team like Buffalo.

Like I said, in all reality, I stay away from big time shopping.

Maybe overpay a Setoguchi type guy for 3 yrs.
- dadeadhead

Can he play checking minutes? If so, I'd throw 2.5 at him.