You'd be wrong. He had the extra benefit of being granted "special player status" and was allowed to enter the OHL at 15 and not 16 so he's got 3 years completed instead on the typical 2.

He's developed very well in that time frame.
- ob18

He has developed well, but everyone I have heard says he is a step below Seth Jones in hype. Some scouts see him as more a safe top 4 than a probable top 2.

The problem is you are trading the Number one pick. For all intents and purposes, this is the star player in the League for this moment. Once this draft is done, he becomes just like anyone else. For teams that have missed the playoffs and are struggling, it's important to do well on draft day. Because this is the only chance they get to pull one over on the playoff bound teams.

If you want to move the first round pick you gotta overpay for that spotlight. Even if you just happen to want that player. Odds are we could get that pick for Both Schenns AND our 17th. But that would be too much.
- flyler

I'm not as high on Ekblad as OB18, but I think I'd move both Schenns & the 17th pick for a shot at Ekblad.

Even the draftniks that doubt him feel he will be, at worst, a good number 2 or 3 guy, playing a lot of minutes in all situations. If he tops out, you'd have a legit number one defenseman with good size and ability.

Not sure if I interpreted JSaq correctly, but when it came to the Carter trade example I don't think he was saying he was unhappy with what the trade yielded. Hell, I don't think anyone is upset with getting Jake, Couts, and Cousins for Carter. I think it was more about how the team gives out long-term contracts and then quickly changes course for one reason or another. When this many players have been given long-term deals and then quickly traded or shopped, it does make you wonder about the team's decision making. They appear ready to commit to a player long-term, only to change course often a couple months later. And it isn't always because another team just decides to offer you something you can't refuse. It's because the other team knows that player is available. Overall, the good does outweigh the bad however.

Edit: JSaq, if I did misinterpret what you said, my apologies.
- five4fighting10

My point is that you can't include trading Carter as an example of bad decision making, while lauding the trade. At least in my view.

The problem is you are trading the Number one pick. For all intents and purposes, this is the star player in the League for this moment. Once this draft is done, he becomes just like anyone else. For teams that have missed the playoffs and are struggling, it's important to do well on draft day. Because this is the only chance they get to pull one over on the playoff bound teams.

If you want to move the first round pick you gotta overpay for that spotlight. Even if you just happen to want that player. Odds are we could get that pick for Both Schenns AND our 17th. But that would be too much.
- flyler

My point is basically this. If the Flyers pay the cost to acquire the #1 pick. They better know they're getting a future superstar. As much as that is possible.

My point is that you can't include trading Carter as an example of bad decision making, while lauding the trade. At least in my view.
- MJL

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i think his point is that signing him to an 11 year deal is the questionable decision seeing as he was traded before that extension even took effect.

He has developed well, but everyone I have heard says he is a step below Seth Jones in hype. Some scouts see him as more a safe top 4 than a probable top 2.
- aflyerpower8

Step below Seth Jones is Legit number one, all star level defenseman, because Jones is seen by many as a franchise guy

My point is that you can't include trading Carter as an example of bad decision making, while lauding the trade. At least in my view.
- MJL

Personally, I see them as 2 separate topics. One questioning the Flyers decision making with how they give out contracts (either too long, too much $$, redundant type of player, etc). In this case, trading a player a few months after you told the fanbase was part of the core by signing him to such a long extension. The other being the trade itself.

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i think his point is that signing him to an 11 year deal is the questionable decision seeing as he was traded before that extension even took effect.
- Crimsoninja

It is. I've made that clear to other posters and directly in response to him. He lives to argue semantics and beat subjects into the ground. Maybe he needs a vacation or more attention at home.

I've made my point clear, and I'm done.

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i think his point is that signing him to an 11 year deal is the questionable decision seeing as he was traded before that extension even took effect.
- Crimsoninja

sigh

I don't think the contract was a bad contract. And I don't have a problem with a team reversing course if they feel that is what is needed.

Step below Seth Jones is Legit number one, all star level defenseman, because Jones is seen by many as a franchise guy
- Jsaquella

Then a slightly larger than average step below.

It is. I've made that clear to other posters and directly in response to him. He lives to argue semantics and beat subjects into the ground. Maybe he needs a vacation or more attention at home.

I've made my point clear, and I'm done.
- Jsaquella

wait dont go yet
im about to unveil my high anticipated nba top 20 mock

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Then I think that's a bad point. I don't think the contract was a bad contract. And I don't have a problem with a team reversing course if they feel that is what is needed.
- MJL

that's fine. you clearly couldnt seem to grasp his point so i was trying to explain it to you

Florida - Aaron Ekblad - D - Barrie
Buffalo - Sam Reinhart - C - Kootenay
Edmonton - Leon Draisaitl - C/LW - Prince Albert
Calgary - Sam Bennett - C - Kingston
New York - Michael Dal Colle - C/LW - Oshawa
Vancouver - Nikolaj Ehlers - LW - Halifax
Carolina - William Nylander - Sodertalje SK
Toronto - Nick Ritchie - LW - Peterborough
Winnipeg - Jake Virtanen - LW - Calgary
Anaheim - Haydn Fleury - D - Red Deer
Phoenix - Jared McCann - C - Sault Ste. Marie
Nashville- Brendan Perlini - LW - Niagara
Washington - Kasperi Kapanen - RW - KalPa Kuopio
Dallas - Julius Honka - D - Swift Current
Detroit - Alex Tuch - LW - USNTDP (Boston College)
Columbus - Robby Fabbri - C/LW - Guelph
Philadelphia - Dylan Larkin - C - USNTDP - (Michigan)
Minnesota - Ivan Barbashev - LW - Moncton
Tampa Bay - Sonny Milano - LW (Boston College)
San Jose - Travis Sanheim - D - Calgary
St Louis - David Pastrnak - LW -Sodertalje SK
Pittsburgh - Nikolay Goldobin - RW - Sarnia
Colorado - Anthony DeAngelo - D - Sarnia
Anaheim - Kevin Fiala - RW - Malmö
Boston - Roland McKeown - D - Kingston
Montreal - Nikita Scherbak - LW - Saskatoon
Chicago - Conner Bleackley - C - Red Deer
Tampa Bay - Jakub Vrana - C/RW - Linkopings
Los Angeles - Adrian Kempe - LW - MODO
New Jersey - Ryan MacInnis - C - Kitchener

Shocked to see the flyers bring back an old flyer to coach

He has developed well, but everyone I have heard says he is a step below Seth Jones in hype. Some scouts see him as more a safe top 4 than a probable top 2.
- aflyerpower8

I've hear the same and others who will say he's at least equal..........It's all subjective to who is giving the opinion.

And I'm requesting the next 15
- aightwebang17

Done

The Ontario media has Ritchie shooting up the order like a lightning bolt.
- Jsaquella

He's a beast, some things he needs to change about his game & work on but he's talented.

Done
- ob18

Well done

Well done
- aightwebang17

Was very tempted to put Travis Sanheim with the Flyers.

Florida - Aaron Ekblad - D - Barrie
Buffalo - Sam Reinhart - C - Kootenay
Edmonton - Leon Draisaitl - C/LW - Prince Albert
Calgary - Sam Bennett - C - Kingston
New York - Michael Dal Colle - C/LW - Oshawa
Vancouver - Nikolaj Ehlers - LW - Halifax
Carolina - William Nylander - Sodertalje SK
Toronto - Nick Ritchie - LW - Peterborough
Winnipeg - Jake Virtanen - LW - Calgary
Anaheim - Haydn Fleury - D - Red Deer
Phoenix - Jared McCann - C - Sault Ste. Marie
Nashville- Brendan Perlini - LW - Niagara
Washington - Kasperi Kapanen - RW - KalPa Kuopio
Dallas - Julius Honka - D - Swift Current
Detroit - Alex Tuch - LW - USNTDP (Boston College)
Columbus - Robby Fabbri - C/LW - Guelph
Philadelphia - Dylan Larkin - C - USNTDP - (Michigan)
Minnesota - Ivan Barbashev - LW - Moncton
Tampa Bay - Sonny Milano - LW (Boston College)
San Jose - Travis Sanheim - D - Calgary
St Louis - David Pastrnak - LW -Sodertalje SK
Pittsburgh - Nikolay Goldobin - RW - Sarnia
Colorado - Anthony DeAngelo - D - Sarnia
Anaheim - Kevin Fiala - RW - Malmö
Boston - Roland McKeown - D - Kingston
Montreal - Nikita Scherbak - LW - Saskatoon
Chicago - Conner Bleackley - C - Red Deer
Tampa Bay - Jakub Vrana - C/RW - Linkopings
Los Angeles - Adrian Kempe - LW - MODO
New Jersey - Ryan MacInnis - C - Kitchener
- ob18

Wishful thinking there, eh buddy?

Was very tempted to put Travis Sanheim with the Flyers.
- ob18

Sanheim will slip into the second round

Wishful thinking there, eh buddy?
- Jsaquella

Nah, I went back and forth with him & Travis Sanheim

He's a beast, some things he needs to change about his game & work on but he's talented.
- ob18

It's fun watching Leafs fans debate him. Half are screaming Tyler Biggs 2.0, the rest are more logical

Florida - Aaron Ekblad - D - Barrie
Buffalo - Sam Reinhart - C - Kootenay
Edmonton - Leon Draisaitl - C/LW - Prince Albert
Calgary - Sam Bennett - C - Kingston
New York - Michael Dal Colle - C/LW - Oshawa
Vancouver - Nikolaj Ehlers - LW - Halifax
Carolina - William Nylander - Sodertalje SK
Toronto - Nick Ritchie - LW - Peterborough
Winnipeg - Jake Virtanen - LW - Calgary
Anaheim - Haydn Fleury - D - Red Deer
Phoenix - Jared McCann - C - Sault Ste. Marie
Nashville- Brendan Perlini - LW - Niagara
Washington - Kasperi Kapanen - RW - KalPa Kuopio
Dallas - Julius Honka - D - Swift Current
Detroit - Alex Tuch - LW - USNTDP (Boston College)
Columbus - Robby Fabbri - C/LW - Guelph
Philadelphia - Dylan Larkin - C - USNTDP - (Michigan)
Minnesota - Ivan Barbashev - LW - Moncton
Tampa Bay - Sonny Milano - LW (Boston College)
San Jose - Travis Sanheim - D - Calgary
St Louis - David Pastrnak - LW -Sodertalje SK
Pittsburgh - Nikolay Goldobin - RW - Sarnia
Colorado - Anthony DeAngelo - D - Sarnia
Anaheim - Kevin Fiala - RW - Malmö
Boston - Roland McKeown - D - Kingston
Montreal - Nikita Scherbak - LW - Saskatoon
Chicago - Conner Bleackley - C - Red Deer
Tampa Bay - Jakub Vrana - C/RW - Linkopings
Los Angeles - Adrian Kempe - LW - MODO
New Jersey - Ryan MacInnis - C - Kitchener
- ob18

How much have you seen of McKeown? I'm pretty high on the kid because his offensive game is very projectible, he has good size, a good shot, and skating is one of the best parts of his game.

Sanheim will slip into the second round
- aightwebang17

Anything is possible.