Yup

Any deal for 1st overall is going to start with Couturier, Simmonds or Read and our 1st. Just not worth it IMO
- BiggE

I agree I just hope we don't try to be flashy like this at draft since it's in Philly. It's a very risky trade. I wouldn't want it at all. I wouldn't mins moving a few spots in draft but not for losing tnst much talent

Am I the only one who feels that this is the exactly wrong draft to try to trade for the #1? It's a weak top-end this year compared to most drafts of the past decade.
- jmatchett383

Agreed

I actually am not sure If Morin or Ghost really apeals to WPG. They seem like a team more interested in getting roster players to push tehm into the playoffs. Thats why I thought Schenn, MacDonald and 17 worked. Maybe you add some conditional pick based on games played. 2nd rounder in 2015 if he plays 70 games turns into a 3rd if it is less. Not sure if it is right or wrong just throwing ideas out
- J35Bacher

The Jets have Trouba and Enstrom, and can move Buff back to defense if needed. I'm thinking they'd want more forwards.

I agree I just hope we don't try to be flashy like this at draft since it's in Philly. It's a very risky trade. I wouldn't want it at all. I wouldn't mins moving a few spots in draft but not for losing tnst much talent
- arichardson22

I have no interest in moving up. In fact I'd rather trade down 10 or so spots if it lands us a 2nd rounder either this year or next. After the top 3 or 4 guys in this years draft, there really is very little consensus on how to rank the next 20-25 prospects so you may get just as good a player at 27 as you do at 17.

I agree I just hope we don't try to be flashy like this at draft since it's in Philly. It's a very risky trade. I wouldn't want it at all. I wouldn't mins moving a few spots in draft but not for losing tnst much talent
- arichardson22

Why would they possibly do it for that reason? The entire front office should be fired on the spot if this was their main motivation.

Agreed
- BiggE

That's where I am, too -- there's no guarantees! The flavor of the week isn't always what the Flyers need to be chasing.

Sometimes, you just need to do the dirty work of developing players and waiting!

If you're the worst team in the league, or close to it, fine. Look at that No. 1 pick and want it.

But you're not moving up from 17 to 1. It's not happening -- unless you want to cripple your NHL roster so you can pick first as soon as NEXT SEASON.

Here's what it would take from a Toronto perspective:

A brief survey of NHL execs suggests that the Florida Panthers might get off the No. 1 pick in the draft, but they won’t get off it for anything along the lines of a much-floated rumour out there: the Leafs’ No. 8 pick, plus defenceman Jake Gardiner and centre Nazem Kadri. The way the scenario goes (at least in the imagination of Leafs’ brass and ardent fans), Toronto would use the pick on Barrie defenceman Aaron Ekblad and thus have a first-pair right-hand shot at the point for a generation.

Said one senior exec: “I get the sense that
- aightwebang17[the No. 1 pick] is out there. [Pathers GM] Dale Tallon has all kinds of young players in the organization and wants to make the playoffs sooner rather than later. Still, Kadri in the package won’t get it done. JVR [LW James van Riemsdyk] might if he’s with the pick and Gardiner… or he might not. Tallon will wait it out to see what the best offer is. It’s a big one to sit tight and close on the floor but I wouldn’t rule it out.”

The 17th overall pick, Samuel Morin, Scott Laughton and the cabinets are scrubbed completely clean but we have our young future number one defenseman.

Why would they possibly do it for that reason? The entire front office should be fired on the spot if this was their main motivation.
- MBFlyerfan

If something like this happens I think it's less for flash and more for Hextall to truly "make his mark" on the team. But I don't see it happening. I think Hextall will kick the tires but ultimately walk away and we'll pick at 17. I think he's going to take more time to truly evaluate what we have in our prospects before trading them away. I could be wrong here but that's my gut.

The Jets have Trouba and Enstrom, and can move Buff back to defense if needed. I'm thinking they'd want more forwards.
- jmatchett383

Probably right. Also if they move Kane they would want forwards. I know this might be unpopular but Would you move Read and Schenn and 17 to get Bogosian. I know read's value but you have to remember he is 28 now not a 22 year old prospect. Can you fill he roll with Alderson, Laughton, Cousins, McGinn, Akeson or maybe a FA like Raymond or Kulemin?

If something like this happens I think it's less for flash and more for Hextall to truly "make his mark" on the team. But I don't see it happening. I think Hextall will kick the tires but ultimately walk away and we'll pick at 17. I think he's going to take more time to truly evaluate what we have in our prospects before trading them away. I could be wrong here but that's my gut.
- FlyersGrace

That's exactly what I expect as well.

I think it will be a quiet offseason:

VL gets moved for a mid round pick or 2
B Schenn gets re-signed to a 2 year bridge deal
a 3rd line and a 4th line UFA forwards are signed
Emery or a similar backup gets signed

that will most likely be it IMO

That's exactly what I expect as well.

I think it will be a quiet offseason:

VL gets moved for a mid round pick or 2
B Schenn gets re-signed to a 2 year bridge deal
a 3rd line and a 4th line UFA forwards are signed
Emery or a similar backup gets signed

that will most likely be it IMO
- BiggE

They'll be just fine if that's all they do -- it won't always be pretty, but they'll be fine if that's all they do.

Probably right. Also if they move Kane they would want forwards. I know this might be unpopular but Would you move Read and Schenn and 17 to get Bogosian. I know read's value but you have to remember he is 28 now not a 22 year old prospect. Can you fill he roll with Alderson, Laughton, Cousins, McGinn, Akeson or maybe a FA like Raymond or Kulemin?
- J35Bacher

No. Bogosian is a guy who was rushed, and seems to have dropped off quite a bit. Maybe a change of scenery could make him the guy the Flyers need, but I wouldn't trade a top-9 premier winger, a young (RFA) 20-goal scoring center, and a 1st rounder for him.

That's exactly what I expect as well.

I think it will be a quiet offseason:

VL gets moved for a mid round pick or 2
B Schenn gets re-signed to a 2 year bridge deal
a 3rd line and a 4th line UFA forwards are signed
Emery or a similar backup gets signed

that will most likely be it IMO
- BiggE

That's okay with me. If the big fish (elite defenseman) becomes available, then go for it. Otherwise, take the time and let the kids develop and hope that 1-2 of them can become what we need.

No. Bogosian is a guy who was rushed, and seems to have dropped off quite a bit. Maybe a change of scenery could make him the guy the Flyers need, but I wouldn't trade a top-9 premier winger, a young (RFA) 20-goal scoring center, and a 1st rounder for him.
- jmatchett383

Ok. I just think if you want to try and get a potential impact d then you have to give to get. As much as I like read I also don't think he is irraplaceable. And the guy your aquiring is on going to be 24. BUt i also understand your reasons.

I'd be fine starting the season with the following roster, and it would have the added bonus of hurting the Rangers too!

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Benoit Pouliot ($2.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Jason Akeson ($0.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
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Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
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Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.200m)
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Do you think you could do a trade of Schenn, MacDonald and 17 for Bogosian? Just rying to see what would make sense.

I think Bogosian could be a potential impact defenseman. Also He might not have to assume so much responsibility if he was on a d with Kimmo and coburn and Schenn and Striet. Then next year he could take on more once Kimmo is gone. In WPG he has to be the man and was thrust in at 18
- J35Bacher

I think that's a high price to pay, so he better become that player if that deal is made.

If something like this happens I think it's less for flash and more for Hextall to truly "make his mark" on the team. But I don't see it happening. I think Hextall will kick the tires but ultimately walk away and we'll pick at 17. I think he's going to take more time to truly evaluate what we have in our prospects before trading them away. I could be wrong here but that's my gut.
- FlyersGrace

My original point being that I hear too many people saying the Flyers will try to make some sort of splash simply because the draft is in Philly. It is absolutely asinine to suggest it, yet it is everywhere.

Am I the only one who feels that this is the exactly wrong draft to try to trade for the #1? It's a weak top-end this year compared to most drafts of the past decade.
- jmatchett383

People talk as if Ekblad is a sure bet.... it's as if Schenn, Larsson, Barker, Hickey, EJ, JJ, and Klesla never happened.

JBo was consensus #1 his year and never came close to meeting his ceiling. LA almost took Bogosian over Doughty. I doubt that FLA is still happy w/ the Gudbranson pick.

My problem with some people is they want to improve but don't want to spend money or complain about deals to FAs. It is easy to say well Macdonld is not worth 5 million. Ok then be ready for Gervais to be playing those minutes last season in the playoffs. Gustafuson had chances but was just as inconsistant as Schenn and people seem to kill Schenn but Gustafson never got a fai shake. Is MacDonald an improvement from players like Kraijeck and Parent and Gervais or should we go back to those types instead?

I understand that we need to develop our own better but drafting kids is not exact as the Oilers have shown. They are littlered with top picks.
- J35Bacher

It's basically if the Flyers sign a player to a long term deal, they shouldn't have done that. They should have gone with a cheaper, short term, lower risk player. And when they've gone with short term stopgaps, that really had no long term effect on the team, it was questionable decision making. Because in January of 13, when the Flyers needed a warm body, they signed Foster for the rest of the season. Well that was questionable decision making because of all the qulaity available defenseman in January, they should've made a better choice.

People talk as if Ekblad is a sure bet.... it's as if Schenn, Larsson, Barker, Hickey, EJ, JJ, and Klesla never happened.

JBo was consensus #1 his year and never came close to meeting his ceiling. LA almost took Bogosian over Doughty. I doubt that FLA is still happy w/ the Gudbranson pick.
- Tomahawk

If you watch this league long enough, you learn very quickly that all prospects are suspects until proven otherwise and that basing your hopes and dreams on an 18-year-old kid developing into Drew Doughty and not Adam Larsson is a sucker bet.

It's basically if the Flyers sign a player to a long term deal, they shouldn't have done that. They should have gone with a cheaper, short term, lower risk player. And when they've gone with short term stopgaps, that really had no long term effect on the team, it was questionable decision making. Because in January of 13, when the Flyers needed a warm body, they signed Foster for the rest of the season. Well that was questionable decision making because of all the qulaity available defenseman in January, they should've made a better choice.
- MJL

Why was Foster needed in January of 13 when a stud like Lilja was stashed away with the Phantoms?

If you watch this league long enough, you learn very quickly that all prospects are suspects until proven otherwise and that basing your hopes and dreams on an 18-year-old kid developing into Drew Doughty and not Adam Larsson is a sucker bet.
- AllInForFlyers

Exactly

I'm pretty sure if they Flyers could go back to 82, they'd take Scott Stevens over Ron Sutter. The draft is a crapshoot, giving up a ton of assets for any prospect short of a Mario Lemieux type of franchise forward is extremely risky.

It's basically if the Flyers sign a player to a long term deal, they shouldn't have done that. They should have gone with a cheaper, short term, lower risk player. And when they've gone with short term stopgaps, that really had no long term effect on the team, it was questionable decision making. Because in January of 13, when the Flyers needed a warm body, they signed Foster for the rest of the season. Well that was questionable decision making because of all the qulaity available defenseman in January, they should've made a better choice.
- MJL

Agreed. I'm sure if we list our "Stopgap" signings over the course of the past ten years, the names and their effect on the team will be less then impressive.

It's basically if the Flyers sign a player to a long term deal, they shouldn't have done that. They should have gone with a cheaper, short term, lower risk player. And when they've gone with short term stopgaps, that really had no long term effect on the team, it was questionable decision making. Because in January of 13, when the Flyers needed a warm body, they signed Foster for the rest of the season. Well that was questionable decision making because of all the qulaity available defenseman in January, they should've made a better choice.
- MJL

Oh I know. I kind of laugh. Like looking back. When the Flyers traded Williams for markov the Flyers needed a d and were making a run at the cup. Yes after the years have gone by that looks bad but at the time no one was compaining when the flyers were trying to win the cup and needed to sure up the d.

Bryz deal looks bad after the fact but how many people were wanting a number one goalie. it wasn't like Bryz was a one hit wonder. He played well in PHX and ANA. People were finally hopeful that we got a guy. Who knew playing in the large market he was a headcase.

MacDonald got a fair deal imho. Would people prefer we resign Gervais instead of Macdonald because they feel 5mil is too much?

Let's trade Grossmann for a bag of pucks because he doesn't skate like McDoughnah but then don't complain if mason has traffic all game because we gave up size.

If you watch this league long enough, you learn very quickly that all prospects are suspects until proven otherwise and that basing your hopes and dreams on an 18-year-old kid developing into Drew Doughty and not Adam Larsson is a sucker bet.
- AllInForFlyers

If our need was a forward to build around, you might take that gamble most years.

But knowing how volatile D and G have been in the pantheon of past lottery picks... you'd better damn sure have a crystal ball if you're going to put all your eggs in that basket. It's pretty much why Jones dropped last summer.