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Classic case of 'got to blame someone'. If Thornton goes then there will be a new media/fan punching bag on the team. Trying to rid yourself of the most sought after position in the game isn't going to help you get further in the playoffs.

I just don't get it, honestly.

This is the sharks window, and the team has never been deeper or stronger -The team was one win away from sweeping the stanley cup champs at one point. Do I think Joe Thorton is a saviour for any team? No. Does he have to be for San Jose? No. These other guys didn't get it done when thorton was there, why would their chances improve without him?

I just think that sometimes teams have to realize that it is incredibly difficult to win a cup in this league, and even harder to sustain that success. You shouldn't throw away good pieces when they don't get it done.

LA and Chicago are great teams, but they day may come when they both get eliminated before the sharks, and then the sharks become clear favorites.

Only way I trade Joe is if I'm getting back a great defenseman in return.
- TommyDeVito

Given the way the playoff's are now set up, the Sharks will be looking down the gun barrel of the Kings in most years. And if not them the Ducks, both of which are younger at the core, than the Sharks.

I think the Sharks can re-tool on the fly. Clearly the need D to help out Vlasic

I think thornton is similar to spezza in ottawa.

they're both elite offensive players, and make any team they play for better....but they aren't guys that a team should be built around. they shouldn't be "the guy" on a team, but rather just "one of the guys".

I think all indications are, from what i've read, that thornton will only waive to go to New York...........which might be a good fit for him. He won't be the only guy, with people like lundqvist and nash there.

same with spezza in anaheim, he'll obviously be behind getzlaf and perry.

so....great players, just don't build your teams around them.
- sensarmy_11

Spezza and Thornton are "elite offensive players?"

... No... And haven't been for a little while now.

I think thornton is similar to spezza in ottawa.

they're both elite offensive players, and make any team they play for better....but they aren't guys that a team should be built around. they shouldn't be "the guy" on a team, but rather just "one of the guys".

I think all indications are, from what i've read, that thornton will only waive to go to New York...........which might be a good fit for him. He won't be the only guy, with people like lundqvist and nash there.

same with spezza in anaheim, he'll obviously be behind getzlaf and perry.

so....great players, just don't build your teams around them.
- sensarmy_11

Spezza and Thornton are "elite offensive players?"

... No... And haven't been for a little while now.

Spezza and Thornton are "elite offensive players?"

... No... And haven't been for a little while now.
- As_I_See_It

Thornton finished 13th in scoring......

Does Joe have a full NTC ??
- Erik6Karlsson5

He actually has a full NMC. As does Marleau and Havlat (expected buyout I'm guessing). Pavelski, Couture, Torres, and Burns have Modified NTC. Vlasic has a NTC. Stuart has a Limited NTC

Basically the Sharks have alot of clauses

The best habs team was probably like 40 years ago - or go back to '93 the last cup. So technically the Habs were better before they got Subban...

Just saying that statement doesnt hold much water.
- Joel_Eh

Fair enough, but I'm saying the 2004 Sharks were better than the 2006-2014 Sharks (2-10 years). That's a little closer of a comparison time-wise than the 1993 Canadiens to the 2010-14 Canadiens (17-21 years), so it holds a little bit more water even if it's relatively not much water.

Spezza and Thornton are "elite offensive players?"

... No... And haven't been for a little while now.
- As_I_See_It

They are both pretty much a hair under a PPG. So, yes, they are elite offensive players in the league.

The Sharks may suck in the short term if Thornton is moved, but something has to happen.

He actually has a full NMC. As does Marleau and Havlat (expected buyout I'm guessing). Pavelski, Couture, Torres, and Burns have Modified NTC. Vlasic has a NTC. Stuart has a Limited NTC

Basically the Sharks have alot of clauses
- uf1910

sounds like the flyers

Thornton finished 13th in scoring......
- golfingsince

Still not "elite", IMO. Great, but not elite.

There are few "elite" players for every position in the the league and Thornton and Spezza aren't among them in terms of fowards. Guys like Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Ovechkin, and Tavares are "elite." Joe and Jason simply aren't in that company, today.

They are both pretty much a hair under a PPG. So, yes, they are elite offensive players in the league.
- Blackstrom2

Then I guess our definitions of "elite" differ, with mine carrying a higher standard.

Poor Joe. The guy still comes 2nd in assists after Crosby and people still wanna shilp him out. I like big Joe, and at least come playoffs, even if he's not scoring, he's stirring the pot and making life miserable for the other teams. Maybe a change of scenery is best for him and SJ, but either way, I hope he gets to hoist a cup at some point, the guy's had a great career, any team he gets dealt to just got a whole lot tougher.

Fair enough, but I'm saying the 2004 Sharks were better than the 2006-2014 Sharks (2-10 years). That's a little closer of a comparison time-wise than the 1993 Canadiens to the 2010-14 Canadiens (17-21 years), so it holds a little bit more water even if it's relatively not much water.
- Sharks_12

Haha fair enough - it does hold a little bit more water.

Calling a player "Elite" is completely subjective, numbers however are not!

Most points in the last 3 seasons:

2. Malkin
5. Ovechkin
6. Crosby
7. Stamkos
8. Tavares
9. Thornton

25. Pavelski
32. Marleau
43. Couture
44. Spezza

Haha fair enough - it does hold a little bit more water.
- Joel_Eh

Just a few drops is all

Calling a player "Elite" is completely subjective, numbers however are not!

Most points in the last 3 seasons:

2. Malkin
5. Ovechkin
6. Crosby
7. Stamkos
8. Tavares
9. Thornton

25. Pavelski
32. Marleau
43. Couture
44. Spezza
- Sharks_12

WEEEEEEEEEEEE! I can play this game too...

“@hockeyanalysis: Here are your 5v5close primary points/60 leaders over last 4 seasons. Crosby 2.87, Stamkos 2.17, Malkin 2.11, Toews 2.04, Kadri 1.98.”

@hockeyanalysis: I don't have primary points/60 (goals+1st assists) on my website but over last 4yrs Kadri ranks 5th behind Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, Toews.”

I guess this makes Kadri "ELITE!"

Numbers aren't subjective, right?

Blah blah blah Kadri is elite if you look at it this way blah blah blah stupid comment

Numbers aren't subjective, dur?
- As_I_See_It

No, they're not.

Poor Joe. The guy still comes 2nd in assists after Crosby and people still wanna shilp him out. I like big Joe, and at least come playoffs, even if he's not scoring, he's stirring the pot and making life miserable for the other teams. Maybe a change of scenery is best for him and SJ, but either way, I hope he gets to hoist a cup at some point, the guy's had a great career, any team he gets dealt to just got a whole lot tougher.
- sudburyboy

Guy that sulks in the playoffs when the other team scores? Give me break.

Welcome, Franklin!

No, they're not.
- Sharks_12

Your words, not mine.

Thanks for playing.

Calling a player "Elite" is completely subjective, numbers however are not!

Most points in the last 3 seasons:

2. Malkin
5. Ovechkin
6. Crosby
7. Stamkos
8. Tavares
9. Thornton

25. Pavelski
32. Marleau
43. Couture
44. Spezza
- Sharks_12

Oh, you wanna play with numbers. Ok, here's some numbers for ya:

Spezza last 3 years points per game: 0.97
Thorton last 3 years points per game: 0.91

Spezza goals last 3 years: 59
Thorton goals last 3 years: 36 (in 52 more games)

You wanna play numbers, it's gonna look a lot better on Spezza to anyone who is paying attention. Especially when he has spent the last 3 years playing with scrubs and dealing with an injury, while a healthy Thornton played on an elite offensive team, with other 70+ point players on his line and his PP unit.

Numbers may not be subjective, but their presentation and interpretation certainly can be.

Numbers may not be subjective, but their presentation and interpretation certainly can be.
- TommyDeVito

Yes and it looks like you chose to interpret those numbers as some sort of knock on Spezza which was not my intent.

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- BlazinMike

Congrats on getting your first troll post, Franklin!