If someone is willing to take MAF off us for 1 more yr at 5mil, then someone else is willing to pay the rest of the FA Goalies 5+, MAF staying is the most practical and responsible thing to do. Just bringing in an older goalie (Miller) at equal quality and greater pay is not a better option IMO.

If Umberger can fetch Hartnell, I am really curious as to what Neal could bring back.
- sammy87

to nash... neal... to pitt... a combo of horqvist/bourque/stahlburg. any two really. throw in despres if you have to

St Louis lost there last 8 games of the season and played the second best team in the league in the first round. Buffalo was terrible last season, gave him zero support.
Miller >fleury and it's not close.
- Brianandr1

Fluery > than Miller and it's not even close.

seriously, miller showed why he is on the downtrend at the end of last season and fluery showed improvement from previous seasons. and he cost less. and the ladies love that poopeatin grin!

I'm not paying a goalie 6+M a year for a 2.50 GAA and a .915 save% in the playoffs. You can get that production a lot cheaper somewhere else
- cap1681

Vs Chicago!!! What were quicks numbers in 2014 vs Chicago??? I guess he s overpaid to!!???

St Louis lost there last 8 games of the season and played the second best team in the league in the first round. Buffalo was terrible last season, gave him zero support.
Miller >fleury and it's not close.
- Brianandr1

Miller Career numbers

294-194-1-57 2.59 GAA .915 SV% 29 Shutouts

Fleury Career numbers

288-169-2-44 2.62 GAA .910 SV% 28 Shutouts

It's actually really close

Vs Chicago!!! What were quicks numbers in 2014 vs Chicago??? I guess he s overpaid to!!???
- Brianandr1

That's not his numbers against Chicago, those are his career playoff numbers.

Miller Career numbers

294-194-1-57 2.59 GAA .915 SV% 29 Shutouts

Fleury Career numbers

288-169-2-44 2.62 GAA .910 SV% 28 Shutouts

It's actually really close
- cap1681

I think one of those guys played the majority of his career on a better team than the other guy did...

Miller Career numbers

294-194-1-57 2.59 GAA .915 SV% 29 Shutouts

Fleury Career numbers

288-169-2-44 2.62 GAA .910 SV% 28 Shutouts

It's actually really close
- cap1681

Playing in buffalo !!!! Who has been terrible since the Stone Age !!! Vs a top team in the league. Wow ... Just wow ... Those numbers mean zero
My gf is from buffalo, I have had the unfortunate pleasure of watching 45 -50 games the last few seasons... Do you have any idea how bad they werE!! How many nights miller was hung out to dry.. I'm not saying he s hank... But significantly better then MAF

I'm still confused on how this is a clown show? Two relatively small name coaches turn us down for easier starting jobs is being snubbed? Walking into the Vancouver job right now would be the easiest thing in the world. "I'm Not TORTS!" crowd roars...
So what, hire Tochett and or Ulf and bring up Hines to work with them as an assistant. Find one more really good strategy coach and get to work.


Oh, and make sure you pay Sutter

Miller Career numbers

294-194-1-57 2.59 GAA .915 SV% 29 Shutouts

Fleury Career numbers

288-169-2-44 2.62 GAA .910 SV% 28 Shutouts

It's actually really close
- cap1681

add in fluery 1 mil less and younger.... no brainer

I think one of those guys played the majority of his career on a better team than the other guy did...
- TheGame316

Buffalo was a decent team from 2007 to 2011

I'm still confused on how this is a clown show? Two relatively small name coaches turn us down for easier starting jobs is being snubbed? Walking into the Vancouver job right now would be the easiest thing in the world. "I'm Not TORTS!" crowd roars...
So what, hire Tochett and or Ulf and bring up Hines to work with them as an assistant. Find one more really good strategy coach and get to work.


Oh, and make sure you pay Sutter
- usethe1-2-2

almost entirely agree... only clownshowish part is the public anouncments prior to completion. someone redgreen JR's mouth shut

to nash... neal... to pitt... a combo of horqvist/bourque/stahlburg. any two really. throw in despres if you have to
- ChrisMS

I love that idea, not sure if NASH would. Hornqvist and Okposo are the 2 F's I want coming back for Neal.

add in fluery 1 mil less and younger.... no brainer
- ChrisMS

That s great ... NOT winning a cup with MAF ... So why did they fire bylsma / shero?

That great ... NOT winning a cup with MAF ... So why did they fire bylsma / shero?
- Brianandr1

What makes you think that bringing Miller in gives us a much better chance. A great performance when he was playing on basically an all-star team? Or his average performance the 5 times he's made the playoffs???

That great ... NOT winning a cup with MAF ... So why did they fire bylsma / shero?
- Brianandr1

That is really obvious. It is also pretty clear that Miller is no better than Fleury at this point in their careers. If you move Fleury it must be for cap reasons so getting Miller at 6 solves nothing. Vokoun would be a better choice at a cheaper price.

What makes you think that bringing Miller in gives us a much better chance. A great performance when he was playing on basically an all-star team? Or his average performance the 5 times he's made the playoffs???
- cap1681

If the Penguins got average goaltending every year in the playoffs they might have won it all again by now.

What makes you think that bringing Miller in gives us a much better chance. A great performance when he was playing on basically an all-star team? Or his average performance the 5 times he's made the playoffs???
- cap1681

When buffalo was decent he was a top 5 goalie in the league... The guy can play... Period ... You want to hol the disaster that's been buffalo the last 3 seasons against him???

If the Penguins got average goaltending every year in the playoffs they might have won it all again by now.
- Ryan_Wilson

Oh snap

That is really obvious. It is also pretty clear that Miller is no better than Fleury at this point in their careers. If you move Fleury it must be for cap reasons so getting Miller at 6 solves nothing. Vokoun would be a better choice at a cheaper price.
- usethe1-2-2

FALSE!!! What would MAF stats be on buffalo the last three seasons???? Not close to millers!!!

Why is everyone so upset about Scuderi? I think everyone thought he would just come back and it would be like he never left, I dont think it works that way.

Not long ago everyone would have traded Martin for a sandwich, now he's one of the best D we have. Last off season everyone was sure Niskanen would get traded and everyone was happy to see him go, he ended up staying and had a great year.

If the Penguins got average goaltending every year in the playoffs they might have won it all again by now.
- Ryan_Wilson

The only year you can blame on goaltending was the year we got knocked out by Philly in the 1st round.

When buffalo was decent he was a top 5 goalie in the league... The guy can play... Period ... You want to hol the disaster that's been buffalo the last 3 seasons against him???
- Brianandr1

No he was not, go check. He was always relatively average. His best year was 09/10

FALSE!!! What would MAF stats be on buffalo the last three seasons???? Not close to millers!!!
- Brianandr1

Problem with that is Miller was put on one of the best teams in the NHL and posted average stats.

I love that idea, not sure if NASH would. Hornqvist and Okposo are the 2 F's I want coming back for Neal.
- sammy87

Okposo and Grabner is my wet dream return for Neal.

Problem with that is Miller was put on one of the best teams in the NHL and posted average stats.
- cap1681

Such a big sample size there....

Personally, neither Miller or Fleury are worth $5million/year. Fleury's big "bounce back" year last year was a brilliant league average performance.

Same money, I take Miller. But both are overpriced.