@TM

Ok. Sorry. Thught it was the eye roll seriously i get from my wife.

I like the deal. I still think more will be done before training camp. I think you see a little of what Hextall and Berube want. Versatile, skating, smart players. Attention to detail type.
- J35Bacher

If Umby fits in, fantastic. If not, there are more options than they had w/ Hartsy with which to deal with him. Flexibility is the big win, both on and off the ice.

James Mirtle tweeted that rumors are swirling that Hartnell requested the trade
- Jsaquella

For what it is worth (nothing) I am not happy about this trade. Not because I thought Hartnell was a great 1st line LW next year and RJ is a bust, but only and purely because value was not received. This is a BAD trade for Philly and all you need to do is read the opinions all over the internet to know. CJB was in a serious position of weakness and still won this trade. Yes, MJL, I am already wondering about the shine of Hexy.

My odd thought for the day:
I wonder, it is true Hartnell asked for a trade, that it had to do with his little girl? Could this be a case of needing to move for his kid?

Hartnell scored 37 goals in 11-12 and then decided he was a sniper. He does nothing but stand in the circle on power plays and players try to force him passes for one timers that he doesn't actually aim.

The things that made him good (going hard to the net, battling in corners) he's done less and less of.

I thought they could do better than this for him but I think he's being over valued here.

Hartnell scored 37 goals in 11-12 and then decided he was a sniper. He does nothing but stand in the circle on power plays and players try to force him passes for one timers that he doesn't actually aim.

The things that made him good (going hard to the net, battling in corners) he's done less and less of.

I thought they could do better than this for him but I think he's being over valued here.
- TheHype

What's the old Don Cherry saying?

When a crusher becomes a rusher, he soon becomes an usher?

Meh. I understand everyone's points about Hartnell's weaknesses. I just don't think the Flyers got enough back.

Lol, I meant seriously in the affirmative. Sorry, I should have included a

(100% agree w/ the aversion to change, despite the stated need for change)
- Tomahawk

I know, right? As long as we aren't moving young players and Coburn, I'm open-minded about changing the mix some.

if it all goes.to hell, we still have our 2015 first. At some point, we were going to try to move Hartnell; better a year too soon than a year too late

Draft the most skill on the board with that 4th-rounder...swing for the damn fences

Hartnell scored 37 goals in 11-12 and then decided he was a sniper. He does nothing but stand in the circle on power plays and players try to force him passes for one timers that he doesn't actually aim.

The things that made him good (going hard to the net, battling in corners) he's done less and less of.

I thought they could do better than this for him but I think he's being over valued here.
- TheHype

It's not that he's being overvalued, I think it was probably in the flyers best interests to trade Hartnell.

But to get back Umberger, who is far worse nowadays, at the same salary for just a few less years makes no sense at all.

Somebody would have given up a 4th or 5th round pick to take a shot on Hartnell, if you wanted rid of him. No need to take back overpaid garbage for a useful player.

@TM


- Marc D

Exactamundo.

Just for that, here's a little somethin' extra -

What's the old Don Cherry saying?

When a crusher becomes a rusher, he soon becomes an usher?

Meh. I understand everyone's points about Hartnell's weaknesses. I just don't think the Flyers got enough back.
- johndewar

Don Cherry: "The Flyers have been Umburgled"

herniated disc?? great
- -davies-

Don't worry. Those things heal heal in no time

In unrelated news, hockeysfuture has us taking Nick Schmaltz. Yeah, another center! Just what we needed!

And here I thought another boring day of no Flyers news in hockeyland...

That trade kinda caught me by surprise.

Where was that hockeybuzz rumor?

For what it is worth (nothing) I am not happy about this trade. Not because I thought Hartnell was a great 1st line LW next year and RJ is a bust, but only and purely because value was not received. This is a BAD trade for Philly and all you need to do is read the opinions all over the internet to know. CJB was in a serious position of weakness and still won this trade. Yes, MJL, I am already wondering about the shine of Hexy.

My odd thought for the day:
I wonder, it is true Hartnell asked for a trade, that it had to do with his little girl? Could this be a case of needing to move for his kid?
- coffee junkie

Wait... Hartnell has a kid?!

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Forget what little Umberger brings. Forget the diminishing play of Hartnell and his foolish penalties.

The Flyers just got out of paying his 4.75 cap hit when he was 36 and 37 years old.

They're trimming the fat. In order to improve, hextall is willing to show to take a small step back now for a nice step forward in the not too distant future.

Hartnell is a better player than Umberger, but he also aged with better talent and has a much longer burden of a contract. He couldn't play with Giroux serving it up. He's sliding.

CBJ wins the next year. Maybe 2. After that, this move will look like a breath of fresh air

Don't worry. Those things heal heal in no time
- PhillySportsGuy

VL and RJ in Broke Back Mountain 2?

And here I thought another boring day of no Flyers news in hockeyland...

That trade kinda caught me by surprise.

Where was that hockeybuzz rumor?
- wolfhounds

this deal was completely out of left field for me

VL and RJ in Broke Back Mountain 2?
- PLindbergh31

The Search for Curely's Gold.

Maybe wait and see who the first line LW is before claiming the next three years have been thrown away.
- Feanor

I thought Umberger was that guy? What with his 17 goals with horrible linemates.

Forget what little Umberger brings. Forget the diminishing play of Hartnell and his foolish penalties.

The Flyers just got out of paying his 4.75 cap hit when he was 36 and 37 years old.

They're trimming the fat. In order to improve, hextall is willing to show to take a small step back now for a nice step forward in the not too distant future.

Hartnell is a better player than Umberger, but he also aged with better talent and has a much longer burden of a contract. He couldn't play with Giroux serving it up. He's sliding.

CBJ wins the next year. Maybe 2. After that, this move will look like a breath of fresh air
- Hesh_

So when the Cup drought reaches 42 years the Flyers start seeing some dividends?

So when the Cup drought reaches 42 years the Flyers start seeing some dividends?



- PLindbergh31

Don't use my next avatar

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- aightwebang17

this deal was completely out of left field for me
- Marc D

Naturally. Vinny, Grossman thought to go first.

It's not that he's being overvalued, I think it was probably in the flyers best interests to trade Hartnell.

But to get back Umberger, who is far worse nowadays, at the same salary for just a few less years makes no sense at all.

Somebody would have given up a 4th or 5th round pick to take a shot on Hartnell, if you wanted rid of him. No need to take back overpaid garbage for a useful player.
- TommyDeVito

THAT would have been a straight up salary dump, which I could have signed onto more easily than this. It gives you cap flexibility, which they Flyers are lacking.

If you HAD to take a player back, I would think it would have been a better/cheaper player than RJ Umberger.

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- aightwebang17

not for me?