you know, if that is the case then I actually feel better (not good) about it. Holding people accountable is important and commonly builds a winning attitude in the long run.

As far as the 2 step forward/1 back talk I would suggest that this is still a poor trade if that was the desired outcome. Just take the 4th. I can not find a rationale explanation for why this is a good trade.

BTW: THN's comment is total BS! Hartnell was given more chance then anyone in the organization. He was a penalty machine and I will not be sad to see some of his antics go. Still didn't get value!
- coffee junkie

I don't feel good, because it's not a good value trade. There might be some mitigating circumstances, but end of the day it's a step back or at best a lateral move in an effort to take a step forward.

I hear that Flyers fans threw batteries at JD Drew during the 3 NFC Championship Games they lost.
- jmatchett383

Was that the game they booed Santa and tried to fight domi?

Glad to see everyone is reacting in the regular fashion
Death to Hextall!
But seriously, not a terrible trade. We may have lost some pure goal scoring, but I think we gained two-way ability, consistency, and lost a lot of stupid penalties. Hartnell should normally be good for 25+ goals, and Umberger should be good for 20+. Play him with Giroux and Voracek and I don't think we'll see a huge difference in their production levels.

The late great George Carlin for me.
- Deasr1

Carlin and Pryor all day. Louis CK is pretty great too though.

Dane Cook
- Jsaquella

He's so wild. Isn't that crazy? It's funny because he's so animated and witty.

Which has 0 to do with this trade.
- FlyersGrace

No, but it's the greatest running narrative for lazy sportswriters.

I don't feel good, because it's not a good value trade. There might be some mitigating circumstances, but end of the day it's a step back or at best a lateral move in an effort to take a step forward.
- Jsaquella

What's the step forward? They'll have 4.6M in 3 years

you know, if that is the case then I actually feel better (not good) about it. Holding people accountable is important and commonly builds a winning attitude in the long run.
- coffee junkie

Think that some of these guys who were basically getting away w/ murder under Homer are probably feeling more than a bit exposed right now... oh, hello Zac Rinaldo, Jay Rosehill.

I guess saying no was never really an option
- PhillySportsGuy

If Hartnell really asked to leave the Flyers it makes it a lot more plausible

Exactly my problem with the deal.

I can be sold on a full salary dump. Or dumping Hartnell for guys that are in the minors that don't count against the cap.

Instead, we got a guy the Jackets were reportedly ready to jettison, via CBO.

It's not like we needed to take on Umberger to get us to the Cap floor or anything.
- johndewar

+1
standing ovation.

Berube said Umberger brings more speed to the lineup
Columbus coach scratched Umberger last year because he wanted more speed.

Hahshahshahah

Was that the game they booed Santa and tried to fight domi?
- PhillySportsGuy

No, that was after we lit off flare guns at the Vet because they had a court room there.

you know, if that is the case then I actually feel better (not good) about it. Holding people accountable is important and commonly builds a winning attitude in the long run.

As far as the 2 step forward/1 back talk I would suggest that this is still a poor trade if that was the desired outcome. Just take the 4th. I can not find a rationale explanation for why this is a good trade.

BTW: THN's comment is total BS! Hartnell was given more chance then anyone in the organization. He was a penalty machine and I will not be sad to see some of his antics go. Still didn't get value!
- coffee junkie

If it's a case of holding a player accountable, how many times during the season did Berube make Hartnell a healthy scratch?

Was that the game they booed Santa and tried to fight domi?
- PhillySportsGuy

No, that was when they threw snowballs at Irvin and cheered when Santa Clause was paralyzed. Afterwards, they rioted because Maurice Richards wasn't allowed to play in the Finals.

Think that some of these guys who were basically getting away w/ murder under Homer are probably feeling more than a bit exposed right now... oh, hello Zac Rinaldo, Jay Rosehill.
- Tomahawk

At least Rinaldo is showing a desire to improve his defensive game.

Think that some of these guys who were basically getting away w/ murder under Homer are probably feeling more than a bit exposed right now... oh, hello Zac Rinaldo, Jay Rosehill.
- Tomahawk

As it should be -- bad penalties need to stop, no.matter who is committing them

Berube said Umberger brings more speed to the lineup
Columbus coach scratched Umberger last year because he wanted more speed.

Hahshahshahah
- Winning

Hey a moped is faster than one of those motorized scooters those giant fat people ride on.

At least Rinaldo is showing a desire to improve his defensive game.
- JAKEw1234

Montreal has PK Subban. Flyers have Rinaldo aka PK Specialist.

If Hartnell really asked to leave the Flyers it makes it a lot more plausible
- Marc D

He's making $5M and playing with one of the best players in the world. Tell him you'll look for a trade but nothing is guaranteed

What's the step forward? They'll have 4.6M in 3 years
- PhillySportsGuy

That's what we won't know. The Flyers will not have the potential albatross of Hartnell hanging over them in 2 or 3 years. Maybe if Umberger has a bounce back he'll be moveable.

Hextall on 97.5 says Schenn could he top winger with Giroux
Vinny stays !!!!!!

If it's a case of holding a player accountable, how many times during the season did Berube make Hartnell a healthy scratch?
- PLindbergh31

He was demoted, though still in the line up, through a good stretch. If any player has been held accountable, it's Hartnell.

Think that some of these guys who were basically getting away w/ murder under Homer are probably feeling more than a bit exposed right now... oh, hello Zac Rinaldo, Jay Rosehill.
- Tomahawk

You will see 0 tears over those two getting the boot from this guy. spilled milk.

I hope this was a message to all the other players because I need to believe that there was more value gained in this trade and that would be a value to the future of this organization.

He's making $5M. Tell him you'll look for a trade but nothing is guaranteed
- PhillySportsGuy

ftfy

No, that was when they threw snowballs at Irvin and cheered when Santa Clause was paralyzed. Afterwards, they rioted because Maurice Richards wasn't allowed to play in the Finals.
- jmatchett383

It's pretty (frank)ed up but I laughed when I read Santa being paralyzed