He is not making it to round 2, I believe he'll go anywhere from 15 to 25......it's not a deep draft for D there are maybe 5 or 6 I'd consider taking then a bunch of the stay at home type.

If they believe he's the best on the board, I take him, if not I'd honestly like David Pastrnak, Ivan Barbashev, or Nikolay Goldobin
- ob18

Button has Kamenev really high, but I've never heard of him before. Is he way too much of a reach at 17?

What do we think of this assuming we cant/decide not to trade Vinny


Schenn-G-Jake
Read-Couts-Simmonds
Raffl-Vinny-Umberger
Bellemere-Laughton-Akeson/Rinaldo
- hereticpride

Switch Raffl to RW and RJ to LW and I think it's not a bad idea at all.

Button has Kamenev really high, but I've never heard of him before. Is he way too much of a reach at 17?
- JAKEw1234

All I can say anything is possible. He could but I don't know if that will actually happen `

You think they were lining up for him, with that contract?

If both players score 20 next year, then who won?
Umberger kills penalties, plays all 3 positions.
I agree if Hart's was coming off the 37 goal year, (last year), but he wasn't.

Edit: Some are acting like "we threw him away for nothing", I don't see that, I am only perplexed that he wasn't traded for a defenseman, but maybe there was no deal for our greatest need.
- puckhead17

Not directed at you but using your post as an example.

I hate the deal. Regardless of what the final product as a whole turns out to be, The Blue Jackets won within the player for player swap. According NHLnumbers.com, RJ Umburger has a cap hit of 4.600, while Scott Hartnell has a cap hit of 4.750. I'm not really seeing the salary dump. We also gave up a pretty consistent front line player for a player who more then likely will not be a main stay on the top line. Both are the same age but we gave up the more productive player and the less injury prone player. Sure Umburger can do other things but the trade makes me scratch my head.

When we traded James van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn, at least the reasonings were obvious. This trade to me is like a blind side punch to the face. Sure I have to wait for the finished product but right now, it sucks.

Even listening to Hextall talk doesn't leave me with a high vote of confidence. I don't buy that this was for flexibility 3 years down the road.

Just the fact that Umburger was probably going to bought out just makes me that much more furious. Umburger's contract wouldn't exist in a week from now.

it's just such a brutal trade.

After the resigning of B Schenn, does anybody like the Hartnell trade more?

In 2 years, the flyers will have to resign Couturier, Voracek and B Schenn.

If necessary, they can buyout Umberger at that point and only have to pay 1.6m for that year.

More flexibility, more options, more better
- fecondo

I mentioned that earlier -- term mattered in this thing

Not directed at you but using your post as an example.

I hate the deal. Regardless of what the final product as a whole turns out to be, The Blue Jackets won within the player for player swap. According NHLnumbers.com, RJ Umburger has a cap hit of 4.600, while Scott Hartnell has a cap hit of 4.750. I'm not really seeing the salary dump. We also gave up a pretty consistent front line player for a player who more then likely will not be a main stay on the top line. Both are the same age but we gave up the more productive player and the less injury prone player. Sure Umburger can do other things but the trade makes me scratch my head.

When we traded James van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn, at least the reasonings were obvious. This trade to me is like a blind side punch to the face. Sure I have to wait for the finished product but right now, it sucks.

Even listening to Hextall talk doesn't leave me with a high vote of confidence. I don't buy that this was for flexibility 3 years down the road.
- SuperSchennBros

Why not? The benefits to this trade for the Flyers are obvious. No one is going to pretend that in the short term the BJ's didn't get the better end of this one. But there are many benefits to this deal for the Flyers and I'll list them. This is Hextall cleaning up Holmer's mess.

1. Umberger's deal is 2 years shorter. That is a big deal. No that is a HUGE deal when you're talking about 32 YOA power forwards. Both are declining players. Now with both declining, Umberger still has value in your bottom 6 grouping. Hartnell does not, that's not the type of player he is.

2. The Flyers can buy out Umberger in his last year with only a 1.6 mil penalty on the cap.

3. Do you think Umberger can pot 20 goals and close to 50 pts on a line with G all year? I think he could. So why are we getting so upset? If you want to go back over the last 2 years, Hartnell has 2 more goals than Umberger. What else is Hartnell bringing to the table? He is not the pest that he used to be, which contributed to his effectiveness.

4. We get a 4th rounder back.

Solid work by Hexy, a new regime indeed.

VL and the 17th pick to MTL for the 26th and a 4th rounder. Heck if they take the whole contract I'd flip the picks straight up. Its worth dropping down 9 spots to unload that contract
- BiggE

Getting rid of that deal...I'd do that without blinking

Not directed at you but using your post as an example.

I hate the deal. Regardless of what the final product as a whole turns out to be, The Blue Jackets won within the player for player swap. According NHLnumbers.com, RJ Umburger has a cap hit of 4.600, while Scott Hartnell has a cap hit of 4.750. I'm not really seeing the salary dump. We also gave up a pretty consistent front line player for a player who more then likely will not be a main stay on the top line. Both are the same age but we gave up the more productive player and the less injury prone player. Sure Umburger can do other things but the trade makes me scratch my head.

When we traded James van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn, at least the reasonings were obvious. This trade to me is like a blind side punch to the face. Sure I have to wait for the finished product but right now, it sucks.

Even listening to Hextall talk doesn't leave me with a high vote of confidence. I don't buy that this was for flexibility 3 years down the road.

Just the fact that Umburger was probably going to bought out just makes me that much more furious. Umburger's contract wouldn't exist in a week from now.

it's just such a brutal trade.
- SuperSchennBros

You are missing the key to this whole thing, the Flyers dumped Hartnell's contract for worse than nothing, bc that is what it was worth. But at least they did it.

Not directed at you but using your post as an example.

I hate the deal. Regardless of what the final product as a whole turns out to be, The Blue Jackets won within the player for player swap. According NHLnumbers.com, RJ Umburger has a cap hit of 4.600, while Scott Hartnell has a cap hit of 4.750. I'm not really seeing the salary dump. We also gave up a pretty consistent front line player for a player who more then likely will not be a main stay on the top line. Both are the same age but we gave up the more productive player and the less injury prone player. Sure Umburger can do other things but the trade makes me scratch my head.

When we traded James van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn, at least the reasonings were obvious. This trade to me is like a blind side punch to the face. Sure I have to wait for the finished product but right now, it sucks.

Even listening to Hextall talk doesn't leave me with a high vote of confidence. I don't buy that this was for flexibility 3 years down the road.

Just the fact that Umburger was probably going to bought out just makes me that much more furious. Umburger's contract wouldn't exist in a week from now.

it's just such a brutal trade.
- SuperSchennBros

Hartnell is on the decline now. Imagine all the female doging on here about him in 3 years when we can't get rid of him.

NEXT

You are missing the key to this whole thing, the Flyers dumped Hartnell's contract for worse than nothing, bc that is what it was worth. But at least they did it.
- Just5

League's different; it's a skating league, a young man's league

Those kind of contracts are not going to hold up except for the most special players

Hartnell is on the decline now. Imagine all the female doging on here about him in 3 years when we can't get rid of him.

NEXT
- feelingkettle

Umburger is in a much larger decline and the female doging for RJ will come much sooner then later. At least Hartnell is still good for the money he makes right now.

Umburger is in a much larger decline and the female doging for RJ will come much sooner then later. At least Hartnell is still good for the money he makes right now.
- SuperSchennBros

A little foreshadowing by the bull. More than anything I think the penalties were his undoing here. http://mobile.philly.com/...ports/flyers&id=248036751

Why not? The benefits to this trade for the Flyers are obvious. No one is going to pretend that in the short term the BJ's got the better end of this one. But there are many benefits to this deal for the Flyers and I'll list them. This is Hextall cleaning up Holmer's mess.

1. Umberger's deal is 2 years shorter. That is a big deal. No that is a HUGE deal when you're talking about 32 YOA power forwards. Both are declining players. Now with both declining, Umberger still has value in your bottom 6 grouping. Hartnell does not, that's not the type of player he is.

2. The Flyers can buy out Umberger in his last year with only a 1.6 mil penalty on the cap.

3. Do you think Umberger can pot 20 goals and close to 50 pts on a line with G all year? I think he could. So why are we getting so upset? If you want to go back over the last 2 years, Hartnell has 2 more goals than Umberger. What else is Hartnell bringing to the table? He is not the pest that he used to be, which contributed to his effectiveness.

4. We get a 4th rounder back.

Solid work by Hexy, a new regime indeed.
- Just5

Add Umberger's better skating and two-way game and it looks better still.

Umburger is in a much larger decline and the female doging for RJ will come much sooner then later. At least Hartnell is still good for the money he makes right now.
- SuperSchennBros

Can't win in the playoffs with Hartnell's lack of discipline. It's a move for the future.

Why not? The benefits to this trade for the Flyers are obvious. No one is going to pretend that in the short term the BJ's got the better end of this one. But there are many benefits to this deal for the Flyers and I'll list them. This is Hextall cleaning up Holmer's mess.

1. Umberger's deal is 2 years shorter. That is a big deal. No that is a HUGE deal when you're talking about 32 YOA power forwards. Both are declining players. Now with both declining, Umberger still has value in your bottom 6 grouping. Hartnell does not, that's not the type of player he is.

2. The Flyers can buy out Umberger in his last year with only a 1.6 mil penalty on the cap.

3. Do you think Umberger can pot 20 goals and close to 50 pts on a line with G all year? I think he could. So why are we getting so upset? If you want to go back over the last 2 years, Hartnell has 2 more goals than Umberger. What else is Hartnell bringing to the table? He is not the pest that he used to be, which contributed to his effectiveness.

4. We get a 4th rounder back.

Solid work by Hexy, a new regime indeed.
- Just5

Exactly. Liking this deal more and more. Much easier to walk away from Umberger than Hartnell.

Umburger is in a much larger decline and the female doging for RJ will come much sooner then later. At least Hartnell is still good for the money he makes right now.
- SuperSchennBros

hartnell can only do one thing and it's clear he wasn't going to be on the top line, maybe not even the top two lines. He didn't fit so why wait a year or two when he's untradable(which it appears he was now, without conditions).

If it wasn't posted

Scott Hartnell says he was forced out of Philadelphia

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...iladelphia-223254051.html

Why not? The benefits to this trade for the Flyers are obvious. No one is going to pretend that in the short term the BJ's didn't get the better end of this one. But there are many benefits to this deal for the Flyers and I'll list them. This is Hextall cleaning up Holmer's mess.

1. Umberger's deal is 2 years shorter. That is a big deal. No that is a HUGE deal when you're talking about 32 YOA power forwards. Both are declining players. Now with both declining, Umberger still has value in your bottom 6 grouping. Hartnell does not, that's not the type of player he is.

2. The Flyers can buy out Umberger in his last year with only a 1.6 mil penalty on the cap.

3. Do you think Umberger can pot 20 goals and close to 50 pts on a line with G all year? I think he could. So why are we getting so upset? If you want to go back over the last 2 years, Hartnell has 2 more goals than Umberger. What else is Hartnell bringing to the table? He is not the pest that he used to be, which contributed to his effectiveness.

4. We get a 4th rounder back.

Solid work by Hexy, a new regime indeed.
- Just5

I don't buy a single word of this.

If it wasn't posted

Scott Hartnell says he was forced out of Philadelphia

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...iladelphia-223254051.html
- ob18

Apparently Hextall likes to hum while he hawes

Add Umberger's better skating and two-way game and it looks better still.
- JAKEw1234

Hopefully this is a first step in improving team discipline.

Apparently Hextall likes to hum while he hawes
- ukeman

Don't we all!

If it wasn't posted

Scott Hartnell says he was forced out of Philadelphia

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...iladelphia-223254051.html
- ob18

Unbalanced story -- understand Hartnell's point of view, and he was quoted liberally, but you gotta put the Flyers POV in there at some point, and not just through Hartnell's perspective

Unbalanced story -- understand Hartnell's point of view, and he was quoted liberally, but you gotta put the Flyers POV in there at some point, and not just through Hartnell's perspective
- AllInForFlyers

I just posted it, you make of it what you will. I know there is always 2 sides.

Bob McKenzie's TSN final NHL draft ranking

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=95289
- ob18

Do you think DeAngelo falls out of the first round?

Do you think DeAngelo falls out of the first round?
- ravishingone

Probably not, just know I don't want him.