This is whats bothering me.

Do you realize that in two years, when the flyers have to resign vorachek, couturier, and b schenn, that a buyout isn't the worst thing that could happen. It could in fact save them 2.9m opposed to to 1.3 they would have saved that year buying out hartnell!!!


(frank) it. Let's overreact and say Hextall is the worst gm ever. It's out of the realm of possiblity that he has a plan for the (frank)ing future.

Oh, you (not you in particular, just everyone who is overreacting right now) you're right, the product put on the ice, right now bc lets forget about any other possible move, isn't a playoff caliber team without hartnell. Wow! How does hextall have a job????


///////sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm!!!
- fecondo

See message above this one.

I think it boils down to a few things. First, Hextall wants to put his stamp on the team. He wants dedication and smart play. He wants versatility and guys that can play two way hockey and skate well. Second he's sending a message that discipline is going to be important. Not just penalty avoidance, but showing up in shape and playing in the system.

The key for the Flyers moving forward is going to be guys that can play two way hockey and do it in the system. Hartnell basically has to be used in a first line role, or otherwise he's useless. Umberger, despite his decline, can play effectively in a checking line role.

I'm still not overjoyed at the trade, but I see the thought process that is there. I can agree with it. The benefit of losing the last two years of Hartnell's deal are not a small thing. First, Umberger with 2 years left is probably easier to trade than Hartnell with 4. Also, if Umberger does really not have much left, he's an easier buyout than Hartnell.

But the bottom line here is that Hextall seems to be targeting better skating, more disciplined, two way players.
- Jsaquella

yep yep

Umburger wanted out. Cap hit too high.

For me his contract might not exist if we didn't trade for it.
- SuperSchennBros

This one?

Irrelevant. Because that's what he's being paid. Could they have waited? Sure? Maybe this was the only offer on the table.

This one?

Irrelevant. Because that's what he's being paid. Could they have waited? Sure? Maybe this was the only offer on the table.
- fecondo

Not Irrelevant at all. If Columbus' original plan was to buyout Umburger, the Flyers keep a bad deal alive.

Not Irrelevant at all. If Columbus' original plan was to buyout Umburger, the Flyers keep a bad deal alive.
- SuperSchennBros

Which is based on pure speculation.

Here's more speculation:
Edmonton has been sad to have been interested in both Coburn and Umberger. Flyers are waiting till draft day to trade that pair plus the #17 for Ekblad if he falls that far, or for Eberle.

See I can speculate too. Most rumors don't come to fruition.

Which is based on pure speculation.

Here's more speculation:
Edmonton has been sad to have been interested in both Coburn and Umberger. Flyers are waiting till draft day to trade that pair plus the #17 for Ekblad if he falls that far, or for Eberle.

See I can speculate too. Most rumors don't come to fruition.
- fecondo

if you wait until the buyout ends, the speculation goes away.

Omg ...

Let's give 5M per to Leino already ..... '' lets go buffalo '' lol

if you wait until the buyout. Ends, the speculation goes away.
- SuperSchennBros

Assuming, of course, that it's true. The guy played as long as he could with a broken finger, a herniated disc and a separated shoulder.

It's really simple, trade for Myers or trade with EDM for the 3rd overall. No helmet Mctavish will ship the 3rd overall and we hope Ekblad is still there ... he won't be but whatever .... point is Mctavish use to play without a helmet with a jheri curl !!!

http://3.cdn.nhle.com/oil.../upload/2013/04/MacT4.jpg

Assuming, of course, that it's true. The guy played as long as he could with a broken finger, a herniated disc and a separated shoulder.
- fecondo

I don't care. Grossmann played as long as he could with a broken foot but that isn't stopping anyone from wanting him out.

This one?

Irrelevant. Because that's what he's being paid. Could they have waited? Sure? Maybe this was the only offer on the table.
- fecondo

Say they wait and Umberger is bought out. They still have Hartnell and his contract to deal with while trying to sign RJ on the cheap. I don't think there's a GM out there that would take Hartnell without offering a similar contract in return.

Hextall is addressing his plan for the team, and he got a pick in the process. Not a bad piece of business.

Gotta wait and see how the rest of the summer shakes out before judging, really. But the reactionists will be there no matter what.

Which is based on pure speculation.

Here's more speculation:
Edmonton has been sad to have been interested in both Coburn and Umberger. Flyers are waiting till draft day to trade that pair plus the #17 for Ekblad if he falls that far, or for Eberle.

See I can speculate too. Most rumors don't come to fruition.
- fecondo

that would be awesome coburn sucks umberger meh and ekbald sweet

Say they wait and Umberger is bought out. They still have Hartnell and his contract to deal with while trying to sign RJ on the cheap. I don't think there's a GM out there that would take Hartnell without offering a similar contract in return.

Hextall is addressing his plan for the team, and he got a pick in the process. Not a bad piece of business.

Gotta wait and see how the rest of the summer shakes out before judging, really. But the reactionists will be there no matter what.
- tangent_man

seriously we got a lower cap hit and a pick yay

I don't care. Grossmann played as long as he could with a broken foot but that isn't stopping anyone from wanting him out.
- SuperSchennBros

Then there's really no point in debating, if you're unwilling to listen to other points of view

Say they wait and Umberger is bought out. They still have Hartnell and his contract to deal with while trying to sign RJ on the cheap. I don't think there's a GM out there that would take Hartnell without offering a similar contract in return.

Hextall is addressing his plan for the team, and he got a pick in the process. Not a bad piece of business.

Gotta wait and see how the rest of the summer shakes out before judging, really. But the reactionists will be there no matter what.
- tangent_man

+1

What I've been trying to say all night, just not as eloquently as you did.

Then there's really no point in debating, if you're unwilling to listen to other points of view
- fecondo

Seriously? I've read your points, I processed them in my brain and I responded to you to tell you that I disagree. Do you think that other teams were banging the Blue Jackets door down just to get to RJ Umberger? I would have at least waited until after the compliance buyout perid.

Then there's really no point in debating, if you're unwilling to listen to other points of view
- fecondo

he just likes to read his own posts

Seriously? I've read your points, I processed them in my brain and I responded to you to tell you that I disagree. Do you think that other teams were banging the Blue Jackets door down just to get to RJ Umberger? I would have at least waited until after the compliance buyout perid.
- SuperSchennBros

Most likely not. However, by the same token, if hextall was shopping hartnell, do you think that other teams were banging down his door? Personally, I think not.

Say they wait and Umberger is bought out. They still have Hartnell and his contract to deal with while trying to sign RJ on the cheap. I don't think there's a GM out there that would take Hartnell without offering a similar contract in return.

Hextall is addressing his plan for the team, and he got a pick in the process. Not a bad piece of business.

Gotta wait and see how the rest of the summer shakes out before judging, really. But the reactionists will be there no matter what.
- tangent_man

Sure but Lecavalier was the focus of the original salary dump. This is suddenly forgotten. If he can go, you get the dump so many were looking for.

Seriously? I've read your points, I processed them in my brain and I responded to you to tell you that I disagree. Do you think that other teams were banging the Blue Jackets door down just to get to RJ Umberger? I would have at least waited until after the compliance buyout perid.
- SuperSchennBros

uh huh like how la bought out richards?

Sure but Lecavalier was the focus of the original salary dump. This is suddenly forgotten. If he can go, you get the dump so many were looking for.
- SuperSchennBros

why would you dump a player like vinny lecavalier

Most likely not. However, by the same token, if hextall was shopping hartnell, do you think that other teams were banging down his door? Personally, I think not.
- fecondo

Its been reported that teams were asking about Hartnell. It was reported in Scott Hartnell reaction within the link Ob18 posted.

Its been reported that teams were asking about Hartnell. It was reported in Scott Hartnell reaction within the link Ob18 posted.
- SuperSchennBros

and hextall got the best deal possible congrats life goes on

Say they wait and Umberger is bought out. They still have Hartnell and his contract to deal with while trying to sign RJ on the cheap. I don't think there's a GM out there that would take Hartnell without offering a similar contract in return.

Hextall is addressing his plan for the team, and he got a pick in the process. Not a bad piece of business.

Gotta wait and see how the rest of the summer shakes out before judging, really. But the reactionists will be there no matter what.
- tangent_man

Had time to calm down. Still don't like the trade. We'll see what happens. I'm not advocating a removal of Hexy by any means.

Has there been any definitive answer as to why Hartnell wanted to leave. Things seemed to be pretty good for him here

Had time to calm down. Still don't like the trade. We'll see what happens. I'm not advocating a removal of Hexy by any means.

Has there been any definitive answer as to why Hartnell wanted to leave. Things seemed to be pretty good for him here
- PhillySportsGuy

Hexy danced around Hartnell's role with the team in discussions. Not a good sign. It appears that Hexy's following the LA model of stability in all zones, and RJ's definitely an upgrade in that area.