No one was expecting Giroux to beat out Crosby for the MVP. That really wasn't a practical scenario.
- FlyersSteve118

He said it for me

He said it for me
- Giroux_Is_God

Sorry GiG

Sorry GiG
- FlyersSteve118

No no. Thank you

I don't think the Flyers made this deal with any intention of buying Umberger out. He'd have to go way south in his play, for the Flyers to even consider that.
- MJL

Agreed. You cannot have a buyout attitude towards a player you play on trading for before even pulling the trigger unless you traded for him strictly to buy him out. We're not the Islanders or any other bottom feeding team in this league.

Maybe. I'm not at all saying that Claude Giroux is going to win it, he won't but the Hart trophy is rewarded to the player most valuable to his team. Claude Giroux is easily more valuable to his team than Sidney Crosby is to his'.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't think you saw the Penguins injury situation this season.

No no. Thank you
- Giroux_Is_God

I'm still sad about Hartsy

I don't think the Flyers made this deal with any intention of buying Umberger out. He'd have to go way south in his play, for the Flyers to even consider that.
- MJL

Certainly they want him to play well, but let's not pretend they will hesitate to buy out a player with Umberger's profile heading into the last year of a contract at his cap hit.

That's what you do, if the player is far below the bar. In two years, a lot of guys are up. The Flyers can either extend guys or totally reshape the team, some mix of the two, whatever they want. They're not gonna let a 34-year-old player stand in the way of whatever they choose to do.

I'm still sad about Hartsy
- FlyersSteve118

Agreed. It's sad to see him go.

Agreed. It's sad to see him go.
- Giroux_Is_God

It is. He's a good player. Sometimes drove us all nuts, but did a good job overall and became a good guy in the community. He's a character and that will be missed.

Agreed. You cannot have a buyout attitude towards a player you play on trading for before even pulling the trigger unless you traded for him strictly to buy him out. We're not the Islanders or any other bottom feeding team in this league.
- SuperSchennBros

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. Buffalo has let it be known they would acquire a player for the express purpose of buying him out. Toronto under Brian Burke talked about it.

It happens in the NBA all the time.

Sports isn't that complex. Nobody here is inventing the wheel when we talk about this stuff.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. Buffalo has let it be known they would acquire a player for the express purpose of buying him out. Toronto under Brian Burke talked about it.

It happens in the NBA all the time.

Sports isn't that complex. Nobody here is inventing the wheel when we talk about this stuff.
- AllInForFlyers

It is a fairly common move in other capped leagues, to acquire a guy with the express intent of a buyout or release.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. Buffalo has let it be known they would acquire a player for the express purpose of buying him out. Toronto under Brian Burke talked about it.

It happens in the NBA all the time.

Sports isn't that complex. Nobody here is inventing the wheel when we talk about this stuff.
- AllInForFlyers

It makes no sense whatsoever eh? What so ever. So it doesn't make sense to acquire a player without the mindset of buying him out? Silly me if I think that teams should trade for a player and allow them to see their contract through.

It is a fairly common move in other capped leagues, to acquire a guy with the express intent of a buyout or release.
- Jsaquella

It's completely out of control in the NBA.

Certainly they want him to play well, but let's not pretend they will hesitate to buy out a player with Umberger's profile heading into the last year of a contract at his cap hit.

That's what you do, if the player is far below the bar. In two years, a lot of guys are up. The Flyers can either extend guys or totally reshape the team, some mix of the two, whatever they want. They're not gonna let a 34-year-old player stand in the way of whatever they choose to do.
- AllInForFlyers

In my opinion, Hextall talking about flexibility is about Umberger as a player, being more versatile. And with his deal two years shorter, that would allow them more flexibility cap wise down the road and help with issues such as tagging space a few years from now. But somehow this buyout scenario was born here on Hockeybuzz. This is speculation on my part, but I don't think that was any part of what the Flyers were thinking about in making this deal.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. Buffalo has let it be known they would acquire a player for the express purpose of buying him out. Toronto under Brian Burke talked about it.

It happens in the NBA all the time.

Sports isn't that complex. Nobody here is inventing the wheel when we talk about this stuff.
- AllInForFlyers

Sure it makes sense. Most teams don't acquire a player with the intent on buying him out in the future. A couple of outlier situations are mentioned as if it is common place in the NHL. It's not. And your right, sports isn't complex. And I don't think it's a complex thought that Hextall made this move because he thinks it's better for the team, and likes what Umberger brings to the team Coming up with future buyout scenarios is inventing the wheel.

Flyers should try and trade Umberger,Vinny.Grossmann. sign moulson and Stasny

It is a fairly common move in other capped leagues, to acquire a guy with the express intent of a buyout or release.
- Jsaquella

It's not fairly common in the NHL.

In my opinion, Hextall talking about flexibility is about Umberger as a player, being more versatile. And with his deal two years shorter, that would allow them more flexibility cap wise down the road and help with issues such as tagging space a few years from now. But somehow this buyout scenario was born here on Hockeybuzz. This is speculation on my part, but I don't think that was any part of what the Flyers were thinking about in making this deal.
- MJL

Buyouts are part of the CBA; they're used every single year.

Why anybody would want to be a contrarian about whether the Flyers, of all franchises, would hesitate to use a buyout is beyond me, but have at it, Usual Suspects.

Hockeysfuture's mock is out and they have us taking Nick Schmaltz. This is their own scouting report, "Schmaltz needs to improve his consistency in all three zones and play with more intensity away from the puck."

So effectively nothing he does now is good enough to be an NHLer. Great choice for a first round pick! And he is a center, you know how much the Flyers need one of those!

Buyouts are part of the CBA; they're used every single year.

Why anybody would want to be a contrarian about whether the Flyers, of all franchises, would hesitate to use a buyout is beyond me, but have at it, Usual Suspects.
- AllInForFlyers

this doesn't sound like they acquired him to buy him out;

https://twitter.com/NHLex...81551316930412544/photo/1

Hockeysfuture's mock is out and they have us taking Nick Schmaltz. This is their own scouting report, "Schmaltz needs to improve his consistency in all three zones and play with more intensity away from the puck."

So effectively nothing he does now is good enough to be an NHLer. Great choice for a first round pick! And he is a center, you know how much the Flyers need one of those!
- aflyerpower8

and his name sounds like Schmutz

this doesn't sound like they acquired him to buy him out;

https://twitter.com/NHLex...81551316930412544/photo/1
- wilsonecho91

We're talking about two years from now; if the first part of that remains true -- the part about "we need cap space," why are we trying to make it seem that R.J. Umberger would be immune from one?

Buyouts are part of the CBA; they're used every single year.

Why anybody would want to be a contrarian about whether the Flyers, of all franchises, would hesitate to use a buyout is beyond me, but have at it, Usual Suspects.
- AllInForFlyers

Misses the point. Do you think when the Rangers signed Brad Richards they were thinking about buying him out however many years down the road? Or Flyers when they signed Briere or even Bryzgalov? I doubt very much that in internal meetings Hextall and his staff discussed buying Umberger out in the 3rd year of the deal, as part of their reasoning for making this deal. That is the point, and that is what SSTS is saying, that you say makes no sense, when it makes perfect sense. That is what he means by having a buy out attitude towards a player.

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If you wonder why the Flyers get worse every year, your orginization's awful trade history is your answer



Haha

We're talking about two years from now; if the first part of that remains true -- the part about "we need cap space," why are we trying to make it seem that R.J. Umberger would be immune from one?
- AllInForFlyers

ah...sorry. don't mean to imply he's immune from one down the road.