All he said was that they would've liked to have paid a little less in the deal, while his agent wanted a little more. But he said nothing about no liking the player.
- MJL

All I was talking about was the deal

He's thinking was that MacDonald is more then just an OK defenseman.
- MJL

A-OK?

I honestly dont think they are even looking for that. The toughest thing for them is where he will want to go and making that deal work.
- Deasr1

If the reports are true that Hextall and Vinnys agent have talked then they must be looking at a move. If Vinny wants more minutes then he has to be open to probably a couple of spots. Teams like Nashville, FLA, maybe dallas. Places that he can slide in as a number 2 center.

- KGBflyers10

yah yah, i'm aware - Shoulda put 6 instead of the 4.

If the reports are true that Hextall and Vinnys agent have talked then they must be looking at a move. If Vinny wants more minutes then he has to be open to probably a couple of spots. Teams like Nashville, FLA, maybe dallas. Places that he can slide in as a number 2 center.
- J35Bacher

And I think he would. He is a proud player and the 4rth line is not for him. I can see Nashville. Florida, maybe. Dallas, I don't see. Why can't they just trade him to Montreal for Subban. Aren't trades like that easy?

If the reports are true that Hextall and Vinnys agent have talked then they must be looking at a move. If Vinny wants more minutes then he has to be open to probably a couple of spots. Teams like Nashville, FLA, maybe dallas. Places that he can slide in as a number 2 center.
- J35Bacher

I've heard Florida mentioned with upshall. Flyers retain salary. Maybe that's possible

I've heard Florida mentioned with upshall. Flyers retain salary. Maybe that's possible
- Just5

For that needs to reach the floor, I would not retain salary. Can't we send cash in the new CBA?

Guys Hartnell is gone, Rinaldo is in the doghouse


We wont lead the LEAGUE IN MINORS THIS YEAR

yah yah, i'm aware - Shoulda put 6 instead of the 4.
- flyersfan51

the bigger issue is, why would you give nabakov 2.5?

I've heard Florida mentioned with upshall. Flyers retain salary. Maybe that's possible
- Just5

is it true that if we send salary with Vinny, the whole cap hit goes to the new team?

the bigger issue is, why would you give nabakov 2.5?
- PhillaBully

yeah, you're probably right on that one. probably 1.5

Was playing around. I kind of like this roster.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Brandon Alderson ($0.768m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
P.K. Subban ($8.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
RETAINED SALARIES (1.27% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($0.900m—20.00%)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,650,833; BONUSES: $1,870,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $449,167

If the reports are true that Hextall and Vinnys agent have talked then they must be looking at a move. If Vinny wants more minutes then he has to be open to probably a couple of spots. Teams like Nashville, FLA, maybe dallas. Places that he can slide in as a number 2 center.
- J35Bacher

I think Vinny is the 2nd line center this year. Its just a feeling.

Was playing around. I kind of like this roster.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Brandon Alderson ($0.768m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
P.K. Subban ($8.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
RETAINED SALARIES (1.27% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($0.900m—20.00%)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $449,167
- J35Bacher

so you're giving up 4 1sts for Pk ?

Was playing around. I kind of like this roster.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Brandon Alderson ($0.768m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Michael Raffl ($1.100m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
P.K. Subban ($8.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
RETAINED SALARIES (1.27% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($0.900m—20.00%)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $449,167
- J35Bacher

As much as I would love that team, it will not happen. Habs will match any OS you send and I'm not sure he is worth, it. Is it 4 firsts or 2 and some 2nds? I forget. But, I don't think we have the pieces to pull that off.

"When you look at a move you look at the future". Wow, thinking of the future when making a trade...sounds like a culture change for the Flyers.
- Dkos

I think Vinny is the 2nd line center this year. Its just a feeling.
- MBFlyerfan

Unless a deal falls into Hextall's lap, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Unless a deal falls into Hextall's lap, I'm inclined to agree with you.
- johndewar

Well, I'm declined to disagree.

Maybe we just send Vinny to MTL for Briere. They love Vinny and the size could help down the middle. We get back Briere with one yer left and place him on the wing with Schenn and Simmonds. Then we just find a winger like maybe Pouliot to play with Giroux.

Also we now bring back a fan favorite and friend of Giroux so we keep everyone happy

Koombya

Anyone know if eckblad is considered generational
- mydoglicks

Not at all.

Like JBo, he's considered advanced for his age, and as solid as solid can be... but the offensive upside is the big question mark. Other question marks are coordination/agility, consistency of physical game.

I don't believe he's anywhere near as complete as Seth Jones.

Maybe we just send Vinny to MTL for Briere. They love Vinny and the size could help down the middle. We get back Briere with one yer left and place him on the wing with Schenn and Simmonds. Then we just find a winger like maybe Pouliot to play with Giroux.

Also we now bring back a fan favorite and friend of Giroux so we keep everyone happy

Koombya
- J35Bacher

Not saying that entirely, but that is the option I see happening. Hexy is all for taking a step back to jump forward.

I don't think we can underestimate the influence Hartnell's lack of discipline had on this trade.

If we take last years numbers and replace Umbergers penalty minutes with Hartnell, that is many many times less shorthanded over the course of a season.

You get this:

RJ: 74 games 18 goals 26 PIM
SH 78 games 20 goals 103 PIM

I think the last stat says it all. Hartnell took a LOT of dumb undisciplined penalties, and it never got better. I think Berube had enough.
- MBFlyerfan

somehow i think the refs will find a way to redistribute those 40 missing penalties around the lineup for us

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FORWARDS
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Jay McClement ($1.250m) / Scottie Upshall ($3.500m)
Jason Akeson ($0.800m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.750m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125m—25.00%)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
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CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $305,000

Something like this is very realistic. I wouldn't be upset with this. I like Pouliot's game, bring him in on a 4 year deal. Mclement a one year stopgap at 4C. Flyers retain 25% of Vinnys deal in Upshall trade.

I think Vinny is the 2nd line center this year. Its just a feeling.
- MBFlyerfan

4th-line, PP specialist, please. I don't think they can appreciably improve at ES if they have to keep hiding their 2nd-line defensively. Vinny, even if he bounces back in production, will always be a liability in the DZ and NZ.

is it true that if we send salary with Vinny, the whole cap hit goes to the new team?
- flyersfan51

Not sure what this means.