That would be awful. There are much better options out there.
- Feanor

What options are much better than Emery. He is a perfectly capable backup.

I had a dream the other night that Petr Straka just beasted the AHL in the first half of the season and then made his way onto the Flyers top LW spot and tore it up.

Then I woke up and had to go to work. Some start to the week.
- mcefalu

Hey, Raffl was in the AHL and was on the top line after only a month or two.

I dont think so. Vinny still a very good player.
- mochoson

I don't think VL deserves the "very good" label anymore.. good might even be a stretch. Mediocre is possibly most accurate. Add in the fact that he's locked in for a lot of years and a lot of money with the usual Homer NMC and you can see why it could be hard to move him.

I dont think so. Vinny still a very good player.
- mochoson

It has nothing to do with his ability as a player, it's all about the contract. If VL had only 1 or even 2 years left with a 4.5 cap hit moving him would not be a problem. However he has 4 years left and therein lies the problem.

Then why does everyone thinks its so difficult to move him?
- PhillySportsGuy

What we think is irrelevant. Theres only a select handful of people on the planet that truly know how difficult it may be to move him. None of us belong to that group.

Obviously everyone thinks he'll be difficult to move because of his contract. I don't think his deal is bad at all, especially when you consider how productive he can still be. Only real drawback to acquiring him is his questionable health at times, which I feel can be worked around.

I don't think Hextall approaches his agent and asks him about waiving his NMC unless they realistically think they could actually move him somewhere. You don't ask a guy 1 year into a 5 year deal with a NMC how he feels about being traded unless you 100% think you could pull it off.

There are some very good sports bloggers in Philadelphia.

Kyle is not among them.
- johndewar

Name two.

Name two.
- mayorofangrytown

Bill Meltzer and Mill Beltzer

Then why does everyone thinks its so difficult to move him?
- PhillySportsGuy

We just saw what value Hartnell has. VL would bring back next to nothing and the Flyers would be eating some salary as well.

I think MacDonald's contract would be difficult to move too if the Flyers wanted to trade him.

Bill Meltzer and Mill Beltzer
- jak521

What options are much better than Emery. He is a perfectly capable backup.
- BiggE

Greiss
Montoya
Johnson

Emery has very limited mobility which is a terrible fit for a team that is shorthanded as much as the Flyers. He showed that all season long and in the playoffs.

I don't think VL deserves the "very good" label anymore.. good might even be a stretch. Mediocre is possibly most accurate. Add in the fact that he's locked in for a lot of years and a lot of money with the usual Homer NMC and you can see why it could be hard to move him.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I certainly do. 32 points in 39 games during the lockout. One season removed from almost PPG numbers.

Moving to one of the tougher markets to play in in the entire league? Most FA's struggle their first year in new cities, especially when they've been in the city they're coming from for a long period of time.

Two significant injuries, and playing LW and C on basically 4 different lines?

Still scored 20 goals in 69 games, and was probably only completely healthy for 45-50 of them. Like I said, his health is his biggest question mark. Still a very good player.

What we think is irrelevant. Theres only a select handful of people on the planet that truly know how difficult it may be to move him. None of us belong to that group.

Obviously everyone thinks he'll be difficult to move because of his contract. I don't think his deal is bad at all, especially when you consider how productive he can still be. Only real drawback to acquiring him is his questionable health at times, which I feel can be worked around.

I don't think Hextall approaches his agent and asks him about waiving his NMC unless they realistically think they could actually move him somewhere. You don't ask a guy 1 year into a 5 year deal with a NMC how he feels about being traded unless you 100% think you could pull it off.
- mochoson

I think you have this reversed. You don't actively shop a guy unless you know he's willing to waive his NMC.

Bill Meltzer and Mill Beltzer
- jak521

Those guys are awesome.

What we think is irrelevant. Theres only a select handful of people on the planet that truly know how difficult it may be to move him. None of us belong to that group.

Obviously everyone thinks he'll be difficult to move because of his contract. I don't think his deal is bad at all, especially when you consider how productive he can still be. Only real drawback to acquiring him is his questionable health at times, which I feel can be worked around.

I don't think Hextall approaches his agent and asks him about waiving his NMC unless they realistically think they could actually move him somewhere. You don't ask a guy 1 year into a 5 year deal with a NMC how he feels about being traded unless you 100% think you could pull it off.
- mochoson

Just like Hartnell. Why tell him you don't want him and then keep him? Once the other centers are moved or some GM becomes aggravated by the cost then Vinny will be on the move.

What we think is irrelevant. Theres only a select handful of people on the planet that truly know how difficult it may be to move him. None of us belong to that group.

Obviously everyone thinks he'll be difficult to move because of his contract. I don't think his deal is bad at all, especially when you consider how productive he can still be. Only real drawback to acquiring him is his questionable health at times, which I feel can be worked around.

I don't think Hextall approaches his agent and asks him about waiving his NMC unless they realistically think they could actually move him somewhere. You don't ask a guy 1 year into a 5 year deal with a NMC how he feels about being traded unless you 100% think you could pull it off.
- mochoson

I agree. We might hink it is hard but I have to assume there is some idea about interest if they are talking or did talk to his agent. He also might see that he is not in the plans with what Berube has going forward. He is a prideful player so 4th line miutes and no top PP is something he might want. So I assume he might be open to more places then we think if he can get things he wants.

Bill Meltzer and Mill Beltzer
- jak521

Love him

Bill Meltzer and Mill Beltzer
- jak521

That second dude is a shadow of the first. Doesn't he write some lame blog for the Stars?

Greiss
Montoya
Johnson

Emery has very limited mobility which is a terrible fit for a team that is shorthanded as much as the Flyers. He showed that all season long and in the playoffs.
- Feanor

well hopefully with Hartnell gone, they won't be shorthanded as much

I understand your concern with Ray and those other options may be better, but Emery has a very good relationship with Mason and that's important. Your backup needs to understand that he is the backup.

That being said, I'd be fine with Greiss, not quite as keen on Montoya or Johnson as I think they have their flaws as well.

If they are looking to replace anyone on D, it is most likely going to be Grossmann. And, if that's the case, I'd rather let Lauridsen and Alt battle it out for that spot, along with maybe a journeyman free agent who can fill the 7th man role. It would be nice if our 6th and 7th dmen each had cap hits of under 1 million.
- BiggE

Does Alt still have to clear waivers to be sent down to the Phantoms? If he does, I really don't want him recalled to the Flyers unless they really need to or he gets some playing time. Recalling him just to sit him in the press box would really suck.

If they are looking to replace anyone on D, it is most likely going to be Grossmann. And, if that's the case, I'd rather let Lauridsen and Alt battle it out for that spot, along with maybe a journeyman free agent who can fill the 7th man role. It would be nice if our 6th and 7th dmen each had cap hits of under 1 million.
- BiggE

Does Alt still have to clear waivers to be sent down to the Phantoms? If he does, I really don't want him recalled to the Flyers unless they really need to or he gets some playing time. Recalling him just to sit him in the press box would really suck.

We just saw what value Hartnell has. VL would bring back next to nothing and the Flyers would be eating some salary as well.

I think MacDonald's contract would be difficult to move too if the Flyers wanted to trade him.
- PLindbergh31

Nikitin just got 6+ and I don't even know who he is.

That second dude is a shadow of the first. Doesn't he write some lame blog for the Stars?
- mayorofangrytown

I think you have this reversed. You don't actively shop a guy unless you know he's willing to waive his NMC.
- PhillySportsGuy

Didn't they just do the opposite w/ Hartsy?

In Vinny's case, I think they already discussed the possibility with the agent, right?

I think you have this reversed. You don't actively shop a guy unless you know he's willing to waive his NMC.
- PhillySportsGuy

No, I certainly do not. You don't ask a guy who controls his own destiny until you've done your due dilligence first.

So what, they ask Vinny how he feels about being traded first, which is essentially a "We don't want you here anymore"? Then what? Then you have a disgruntled player who WANTS to be moved?

Then what? What if you ask him that, and absolutely NOBODY is interested? What if he's so pissed off then you HAVE to trade him? Your then looking at acquiring peanuts for him, and likely eating 50% of his salary just to dump a guy who doesn't want to be here. And by peanuts, I mean probably another bad contract. Probably a guy nowhere near as good as Vinny.

No way do you ask him to waive first. Not to mention, it's been reported a few teams have expressed serious interest.

Does Alt still have to clear waivers to be sent down to the Phantoms?
- FlyersSteve118

No.