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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 27 @ 1:14 PM ET
Did they do all rounds in 1 day last year?
- j19b0yle23

Yes, and the first round takes the longest so that should pare a couple hours off of it on Saturday.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 1:14 PM ET
I can't use it so Jsaq is all in. I have the two teens and my nephew with me. I will see you guys down there though at some point. We're getting there around 6 I'd think.
- mayorofangrytown


I'll tell you the section we settle in for the night.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 27 @ 1:15 PM ET
Hawks offer multi-player deal to Florida?

Rumored offer: Sharp, Roszival, D prospect Adam Clendening and Chicago #1 to Florida for their number 1 and Erik Gudbranson
Source: John Jaeckel



If the Blackhawks pull that off it would be amazing.

- J35Bacher


Unless Clendening has amazing upside, I don't see how the Panthers make that deal. Sharp is in his mid 30s
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 27 @ 1:15 PM ET
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy that knows this girl who's going with a guy that saw Claude Giroux passed out at 31 Flavors last night lamenting Hextall trading Matt Read.
- Moose_15


You heard it here first
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 27 @ 1:15 PM ET
Hawks offer multi-player deal to Florida?

Rumored offer: Sharp, Roszival, D prospect Adam Clendening and Chicago #1 to Florida for their number 1 and Erik Gudbranson
Source: John Jaeckel



If the Blackhawks pull that off it would be amazing.

- J35Bacher

See? Should have never traded sharp

That is a crazy deal. Yowza
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
That what sites like this do...they hype things up so people come and discuss potential trades...Nobody will come if they come up here and say nothing going to happen and its going to be pretty boring...As far as Kane vs B Schenn...If it was straight up I would do it in a heartbeat....I feel Kane is the better player and I feel he is a better fit for our team and line up
- nonpoint22


People come here all year around, even long after the trade deadline.

Kane has a lot of inconsistencies to his game. Kane has played 5 full seasons to Schenn's 3. Schenn production has only gone up really and has yet to show he'll slip. Plus he can play all three positions up front. I think it's debatable as to who's better. Right now it's unfair to say Kane is better. Schenn needs to step into a much bigger role.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
Unless Clendening has amazing upside, I don't see how the Panthers make that deal. Sharp is in his mid 30s
- PhillySportsGuy



that is what I was thinking. Damn they could get Gudbranson and then draft Bennett to be that 2nd line center.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
Corsi is a team stat, not an individual stat. As for the rest, you can claim anything you want. But that is innacurate. I made my case for why I think it's a bad deal, and why I wouldn't make. And lastly, if you have to duscuss the poster more then the actual opinion, you don't have a very strong position.
- MJL


My position is extremely strong. You are clueless about Campbell. He is a much stronger first pairing defender than MacDonald.

Brian Campbell: 82 games, 37 points, -6, 1611:12 ES TOI, CF 52.6%
http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2013-14&sit=5v5
-Most common teammates:
Gilbert - CF 52.8% with Campbell, 47.2% without Campbell
Boyes - CF 52.4% with, 50.3% without
Fleischmann - CF 53.3% with, 49.8% without
Bjugstad - CF 52.2% with, 50% without

Andrew MacDonald: 82 games, 28 points, -22, 1477:35 TOI, CF 44.4%
http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2013-14&sit=5v5
-Most common teammates:
Harmonic - CF 45.5% with MacDonald, 52.7% without MacDonald
Okposo - CF 44.9% with, 52.5% without
Tavares - CF 43.8% with, 53.1% without
Bailey - 42.8% with, 56.4% without

One of these defensemen is cut out to play a ton of minutes on the top pairing. It is not MacDonald.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
Unless Clendening has amazing upside, I don't see how the Panthers make that deal. Sharp is in his mid 30s
- PhillySportsGuy

Not only that but that's a salary dump for Chicago.

However, if they make that deal the Panthers could be a playoff team next year.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
Unless Clendening has amazing upside, I don't see how the Panthers make that deal. Sharp is in his mid 30s
- PhillySportsGuy

Some of my first thoughts also
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Jun 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
Conditionally, yes.

1) I would not be willing to take more than a tiny amount of VL's salary on my cap if I am also sending a second-round 2015 pick as an incentive, and

2) I would like to feel reasonably confident that I could replace that asset by getting another team's 2015 second-round pick in a separate trade at some point by next year's draft.

If I could do those things, then yes despite the bad optics of it.

- bmeltzer


Thank you Bill, If I'm losing a pick and taking another bad player contract (for close to the same hit just less time and less of a player), why am I also keeping salary? I don't think it unreasonable, nor do I think Lecavilier is some kind of useless contract to Florida.
j19b0yle23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: So I was like Emilio
Joined: 07.02.2006

Jun 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
Yes, and the first round takes the longest so that should pare a couple hours off of it on Saturday.
- mayorofangrytown


Thanks. Have Phils tickets for the night game tomorrow trying to see if it will be clear by then.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
Hawks offer multi-player deal to Florida?

Rumored offer: Sharp, Roszival, D prospect Adam Clendening and Chicago #1 to Florida for their number 1 and Erik Gudbranson
Source: John Jaeckel



If the Blackhawks pull that off it would be amazing.

- J35Bacher

If this is true, Shap being the main focus of the package should do it. Especially if the Panthers are really opening to moving that pick.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
My position is extremely strong. You are clueless about Campbell. He is a much stronger first pairing defender than MacDonald.

Brian Campbell: 82 games, 37 points, -6, 1611:12 ES TOI, CF 52.6%
http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2013-14&sit=5v5
-Most common teammates:
Gilbert - CF 52.8% with Campbell, 47.2% without Campbell
Boyes - CF 52.4% with, 50.3% without
Fleischmann - CF 53.3% with, 49.8% without
Bjugstad - CF 52.2% with, 50% without

Andrew MacDonald: 82 games, 28 points, -22, 1477:35 TOI, CF 44.4%
http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2013-14&sit=5v5
-Most common teammates:
Harmonic - CF 45.5% with MacDonald, 52.7% without MacDonald
Okposo - CF 44.9% with, 52.5% without
Tavares - CF 43.8% with, 53.1% without
Bailey - 42.8% with, 56.4% without

One of these defensemen is cut out to play a ton of minutes on the top pairing. It is not MacDonald.

- Feanor


Is it Carle?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
E5: My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy that knows this girl who's going with a guy that saw Claude Giroux passed out at 31 Flavors last night lamenting Hextall trading Matt Read.


- Moose_15

my buddy said a month ago that vinny was heading to florida
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 1:19 PM ET
Unless Clendening has amazing upside, I don't see how the Panthers make that deal. Sharp is in his mid 30s
- PhillySportsGuy


He does, at least in NHL 14.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 27 @ 1:19 PM ET
Thank you Bill, If I'm losing a pick and taking another bad player contract (for close to the same hit just less time and less of a player), why am I also keeping salary? I don't think it unreasonable, nor do I think Lecavilier is some kind of useless contract to Florida.
- flyler



Probably (and this is only speculation) to get the deal done before the draft. Lecavalier is due a bonus payment on July 1 -- so it might be salary equivalent to cover that bonus payment in order to get the deal done prior to then.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 1:19 PM ET
It's draft weekend, so time to build another Patio in the Nails household.
supposed to be a perfect weekend for it.
low 80's
0% chance of rain.



it just thundered and I have 15' of new concrete and stone on the ground.

and my XM just logged out on me and I have no idea what the log in is
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 27 @ 1:19 PM ET
for a laugh this is what he wrote.

alright, i have to be a little vague here, but simply put, i have a family member who is part of the flyers organization. i cant exactly say everything i've been told, for obvious reasons (i'd lose my source lol).

but here's what i can say for certain:
1. flyers looking to move up, way up tonight.
2. deal already in place to do so, depending on who gets taken ahead of "this" pick
3. roster player(s) will most likely be moved, a fan favorite.....
4. theres more to the "plan" than this season(3-4 year plan)
5. i've been told to buckle up, because if things fall right, this will be a WILD day/weekend.

- EastBeast18


buckle up indeed!



jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
If this is true, Shap being the pain focus of the package should do it. Especially if the Panthers are really opening to moving that pick.
- SuperSchennBros


Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
my buddy said a month ago that vinny was heading to florida
- 2Real



To golf.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 1:21 PM ET
To golf.
- Moose_15


Hopefully Giroux is not.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 27 @ 1:22 PM ET
Hopefully Giroux is not.
- jmatchett383



Hopefully, there is a no golfing clause in his new contract.

We should start a movement to get Giroux involved in competitive Bocce Ball -- a game where nothing can ever go wrong.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 1:22 PM ET
I'll tell you the section we settle in for the night.
- ob18


It's total GA, right?
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 1:22 PM ET
My position is extremely strong. You are clueless about Campbell. He is a much stronger first pairing defender than MacDonald.

Brian Campbell: 82 games, 37 points, -6, 1611:12 ES TOI, CF 52.6%
http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2013-14&sit=5v5
-Most common teammates:
Gilbert - CF 52.8% with Campbell, 47.2% without Campbell
Boyes - CF 52.4% with, 50.3% without
Fleischmann - CF 53.3% with, 49.8% without
Bjugstad - CF 52.2% with, 50% without

Andrew MacDonald: 82 games, 28 points, -22, 1477:35 TOI, CF 44.4%
http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2013-14&sit=5v5
-Most common teammates:
Harmonic - CF 45.5% with MacDonald, 52.7% without MacDonald
Okposo - CF 44.9% with, 52.5% without
Tavares - CF 43.8% with, 53.1% without
Bailey - 42.8% with, 56.4% without

One of these defensemen is cut out to play a ton of minutes on the top pairing. It is not MacDonald.

- Feanor


I don't think anyone has ever said MacD is a top pairing D man.
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