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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:18 PM ET
wrong teams like nashville need someone like vinny since players like spezza won't go there
- 2Real


Forgot to add that the 34-year-old center has a no-trade.

Man, if we get out of this one unscathed, I'm getting drunk
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:21 PM ET
but why trade for gagner in the first place?
- 2Real


It's bizarre; as the thread noted, his buyout would cost less than Purcell's

We don't know anything about that, because we don't believe teams acquire players just to buy them out
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 11:22 PM ET
So, in summation, the Oilers traded a 24-year-old center set to make $4.4 million for Teddy Purcell; not bad.

The Lightning, who wanted to,dump,the salary, got a 6th-round pick from a team that was starving for a center -- and is eating 1/3 of the salary

Yeah, dumping the four remaining years of a 34-year-old center is gonna be easy as (frank)ing pie

- AllInForFlyers

flyers getting draft pick (s)! for him from dallas

must be true read it on the internet
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:26 PM ET
They will, UFAs aren't exactly lining up to play in Miami. Tallon has to be creative to build a roster. Vinny does have value as a second line center, especially on a first PP unit that needs help. The Flyers won't get much for him.

Spezza has no interest in playing there. They would have to severely over pay to attract Statsny. They're not exactly a large market team. Richards is small and old. Vinny at least has size and name appeal in the Florida market, and more importantly apparently has no problem playing in that market.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:26 PM ET
From what Stephen Whyno has posted on twitter:

The Oilers traded Gagner for Purcell, and Yzerman was going to buy him out to clear cap. Right after the deal, Don Maloney called Edmonton asking for Gagner and was told he was traded, so Maloney called Yzerman and said he'd work out a deal for Gagner.

The money retained by Yzerman is what he would have had against the cap if he had bought out Gagner anyhow, plus he ditched Crombeen's salary
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:28 PM ET
From what Stephen Whyno has posted on twitter:

The Oilers traded Gagner for Purcell, and Yzerman was going to buy him out to clear cap. Right after the deal, Don Maloney called Edmonton asking for Gagner and was told he was traded, so Maloney called Yzerman and said he'd work out a deal for Gagner.

The money retained by Yzerman is what he would have had against the cap if he had bought out Gagner anyhow, plus he ditched Crombeen's salary

- Jsaquella

wow are the lightning really that cash strapped?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:29 PM ET
wow are the lightning really that cash strapped?
- 2Real


Not really, they now have a solid team on paper and $10mm to add to it in free agency
SuperSchennBros
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Jun 29 @ 11:30 PM ET
Phoenix is the place where hockey careers go to die.
AllInForFlyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:32 PM ET
From what Stephen Whyno has posted on twitter:

The Oilers traded Gagner for Purcell, and Yzerman was going to buy him out to clear cap. Right after the deal, Don Maloney called Edmonton asking for Gagner and was told he was traded, so Maloney called Yzerman and said he'd work out a deal for Gagner.

The money retained by Yzerman is what he would have had against the cap if he had bought out Gagner anyhow, plus he ditched Crombeen's salary

- Jsaquella


You mean an NHL.team.does.acquire players in order.to.buy them out? Don't these executives read HB? You are supposed to only acquire.players so they can fulfill.their contracts
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:33 PM ET
Not really, they now have a solid team on paper and $10mm to add to it in free agency
- Jsaquella


I would be surprised if the Lightning have an internal budget to spend to the ceiling for payroll. They have a nice pipeline of prospects to help keep their labor costs down.

Bishop is gonna to need a substantial pay increase after the upcoming season. Of course, in two summers, Stamkos is on the horizon.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:36 PM ET
You mean an NHL.team.does.acquire players in order.to.buy them out? Don't these executives read HB? You are supposed to only acquire.players so they can fulfill.their contracts
- AllInForFlyers



Absolutely not. No GM would trade for a player to buy him out.
2Real
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Jun 29 @ 11:36 PM ET
Not really, they now have a solid team on paper and $10mm to add to it in free agency
- Jsaquella

i'm just really confused is all
i would have held onto sam gagner also that return for edmonton for him is pretty poopty
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:37 PM ET
I would be surprised if the Lightning have an internal budget to spend to the ceiling for payroll. They have a nice pipeline of prospects to help keep their labor costs down.

Bishop is gonna to need a substantial pay increase after the upcoming season. Of course, in two summers, Stamkos is on the horizon.

- ravishingone


That could be a factor as well, but several reporters are saying they'll be active in UFA
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 29 @ 11:38 PM ET
You mean an NHL.team.does.acquire players in order.to.buy them out? Don't these executives read HB? You are supposed to only acquire.players so they can fulfill.their contracts
- AllInForFlyers


yeah the rumors of Umberger for Gagner before the Flyers traded for him had me thinking we'd flip Umberger for Gagner and buy him out. Hexy has different plans I guess.
Jsaquella
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Jun 29 @ 11:38 PM ET
i'm just really confused is all
i would have held onto sam gagner also that return for edmonton for him is pretty poopty

- 2Real


Gagner's not that great a player. Career highs of 18 goals & 49 points. Hell, Vinny scored more goals and had as many points despite having an awful year and injury.
Crimsoninja
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Jun 29 @ 11:38 PM ET
i'm just really confused is all
i would have held onto sam gagner also that return for edmonton for him is pretty poopty

- 2Real

fight me
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:39 PM ET


Absolutely not. No GM would trade for a player to buy him out.

- Jsaquella


I'm sure I missed the point or misused stats somehow
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:39 PM ET
fight me
- Crimsoninja

i already won
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:39 PM ET


Absolutely not. No GM would trade for a player to buy him out.

- Jsaquella


I heard told that could never happen as well.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:40 PM ET
Gagner's not that great a player. Career highs of 18 goals & 49 points. Hell, Vinny scored more goals and had as many points despite having an awful year and injury.
- Jsaquella

1. he played on edmonton
2. he's still relatively young
3. he played in edmonton for year

did i mention he played in that poop hole edmonton?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:41 PM ET
think the lightning are going after boyle now?
Crimsoninja
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Jun 29 @ 11:42 PM ET
i already won
- 2Real

how the
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:42 PM ET
think the lightning are going after boyle now?
- 2Real


I think Ehrhoff or Niskanen -- they might throw a poopload at Niskanen, like they did Carle
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:43 PM ET
how the
- Crimsoninja

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 29 @ 11:44 PM ET
what in the
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