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funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:46 PM ET
Unless you actually care about the picks... not the splashy poop.
- Tomahawk


Yeah, I enjoyed it. I don't know a lot about these guys until the draft. I enjoy watching, knowing who's comin into the pipeline and remembering some of these names that teams draft if/when they make it to the NHL.

I love hockey and everything that goes along with it. The only people that hype it up are these "rumor" mongers and the people that actually buy into it.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:48 PM ET
So today's thing is calling players by the initials of their first and last name?
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:02 PM ET
So today's thing is calling players by the initials of their first and last name?
- Giroux_Is_God


Not good value for time spent on the whole name.
huks99
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Austin, TX
Joined: 10.05.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:03 PM ET
How does this sound VL + Grossman+ 2nd = upshall + CE +4th

that's what we'll end up with if we move vinny & a 2nd for Upshall and Grossman for capspace for a 4th
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:04 PM ET
So today's thing is calling players by the initials of their first and last name?
- Giroux_Is_God


3rd pairing typists. Pfft.


feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:13 PM ET
So today's thing is calling players by the initials of their first and last name?
- Giroux_Is_God

Why use a contraction when you can write out both words?

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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 29 @ 2:13 PM ET
3rd pairing typists. Pfft.


- tangent_man

jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 29 @ 2:17 PM ET
That's just it: I don't think any of the aforementioned players are NHL-ready, and I am dead set against rushing Morin in particular. Nemeth and Jokipakka seem more NHL-ready than Alt and I don't think Lauridsen is an NHL prospect.

But if Flyers packaged VL, NG and a 2016 second-round pick and got Nemeth in return, I think it would strengthen Dallas as a playoff-worthy team for the second straight year and would give the Flyers both the cap relief they need and also potentially solve the issue of replacing the Grossmann role.

I would also be just as happy to keep NG out of the deal and accept Jokipakka in lieu of Nemeth.

- bmeltzer


Love that trade since it really clears up cap space and brings back a cheap option. That's a net $7 million in free'd up cap space and a nice piece for the future. You could even try to sign Ehrhoff and deal L. Schenn/Streit/MacDonald for picks.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 2:22 PM ET
Ehrhoff. Its not hard.

Then again 80% of us couldn't spell Kesler correctly if our lives depended on it.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:25 PM ET
So today's thing is calling players by the initials of their first and last name?
- Giroux_Is_God


I agree with you GG, it's annoying.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:33 PM ET
Ehrhoff. Its not hard.

Then again 80% of us couldn't spell Kesler correctly if our lives depended on it.

- hereticpride

I am a fan of the Earhoff
ManCity
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pike County, PA
Joined: 05.24.2014

Jun 29 @ 2:33 PM ET
Sometimes I tie the Flyers cap problems directly to Vinny's contract, but the reality is that it is not that simple.

I think there are several factors

#1- The "win now" philosophy that trades 1st and 2nd round picks for proven players. While you guarantee NHL talent, you also have to pay them more than an entry level deal. These add up.

#2- Failure to draft well, particularly on defense. Scott Cullen put together a team based on the team that originally drafted them http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?id=121382 and the only team that drafted worse than the Flyers on defense were the Edmonton Oilers. This means you have to pay to get defensemen. This is why the they are paying almost 24 million for the current top 6 defensemen. The good news is that they finally have prospects who will help in this area (maybe in a year or two).

#3- Chris Pronger's contract. I know that during the season it's not that big of a deal, but right now it presents some problems. This is not on management, but it would be smart if management wasn't as free spending on free agents while Pronger's contract is still on the books.

#4-Too many mid-level players on higher contracts- Vinny, MacDonald, Streit, Grossman, and Luke Schenn. I don't think any ONE of these contracts are necessarily horrible, but all of them TOGETHER create the problem.

#5- Rosehill's contract- It's only 675,000, but why does he even have a contract. Was it really necessary?

I think these reasons together explain the problem they are in, which is why it is not a simple fix. Even unloading the contracts may require trading more picks which will facilitate the problem even more down the road, unless there is a change in philosophy.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:33 PM ET
I agree with you GG, it's annoying.
- 77rams

Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 2:53 PM ET
Sign Ehroff 5 years 30m no ntc or nmc clauses
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:55 PM ET
Sign Ehroff 5 years 30m no ntc or nmc clauses
- Winning

im down
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:56 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Eye on July, Draft Wrapup
- bmeltzer


Thought with Jacob Middleton & Spencer Watson still available they'd have been the pick but no issues with what they did in the end.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 2:56 PM ET
im down
- Crimsoninja

Flyers can move Grossmann
Vinny
Umberger
MacDonald

none have full nmc except Vinny, Umbergers ntc might be void from trade.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 3:00 PM ET
With the limited defenders on the open market, along with the Preds not able to get Spezza

Flyers could ideally unload Vinny, Grossmann, and MacDonald if needed.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 29 @ 3:00 PM ET
Flyers can move Grossmann
Vinny
Umberger
MacDonald

none have full nmc except Vinny, Umbergers ntc might be void from trade.

- Winning

so

coburn erhoff
schenn streit
kimmo morin


lets roll
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 29 @ 3:01 PM ET
Why use a contraction when you can write out both words?

NEXT

- feelingkettle

Uhm....

That's a possession contraction. "Today's thing" =/= Today is thing

learn2grammar

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Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 3:02 PM ET
so

coburn erhoff
schenn streit
kimmo morin

lets roll

- Crimsoninja

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 29 @ 3:04 PM ET

- Winning

Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 3:05 PM ET

- Crimsoninja

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 29 @ 3:06 PM ET

- Winning

im down with dressing 7 dmen
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 3:07 PM ET
im down with dressing 7 dmen
- Crimsoninja

Morin has no shot
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