True, but we were gonna love that guy..
- funmaster18

Ugh, I remember people writing that.

Looking back, I'm pretty sure that was an insult, even though we didn't know it at the time.

Its gonna have to be Golden Monkey
- jak521

They aren't a do nothing team
- ob18

Yeah, except it seems with this GM, a move is more likely to be made to open up future cap-space, than an immediate cap-dump to facilitate more short-sighted spending.

Hextall likely has some moves he wants to make, and needs some cap space to do so. Normal part of a cap environment.

If the evidence shows that , produce exactly how the Flyers do things differently then the rest of the league. And be specific.

And you claimed to know the numbers, so I'll again ask what the Flyers upper limit is going to be this upcoming season?
- MJL

9 year contract for Bryzgalov. 9 years .....when there were no other suitors.

fire a coach 3 games in. ya thats normal.

sign an aging center when you have 3 young centers at the NHL level already with high upside.



The Cap # is 69 million....and no I don't feel the need to explain all the ins and outs and the holes. you can take the time if you want to and dazzle me with your knowledge or lack there of.

if thats your arguement thats your weakest yet...by far...you argue pennies when its the dollars and the poor management of the cap in previous years that is the issue.

The Upshall one was so they could bring Giroux up from the AHL. Homer had a max cap and couldnt bring G up. So he trade Upshall AND a second for Dan Carcillo and cap space.
- jak521

I thought we were talking about off-season moves. The TDL always has teams moving picks with players.

Edit: Still think Homer wanted that deal.

Yeah, except it seems with this GM, a move is more likely to be made to open up future cap-space, than an immediate cap-dump to facilitate more short-sighted spending.
- Tomahawk

Exactly, with a healthy Pronger still around, you are most likely aren't going to have Grossmann, Streit and possibly AMac in the fold.
- BiggE

I think with Pronger around Streit and MacDonald still fit. You really could only have one Grossmann or Schenn but not both. With the make up at the time you keep Coburn and Carle in the fold with Pronger as your top three, maybe Timonen too.

Very true, good call. They didn't have to make the salary dumping moves they just made to get cap-compliant and they still weren't able to get good returns in terms of draft picks. Of course cap space has a lot of value too, but yeah, after seeing the Gagner return, I'm not expecting a deal for Vinny that I'll be too happy with.
- five4fighting10

Outside of Purcell/Gagner, the players they traded were 3rd & 4th liners, who can likely be replaced with rookies(they have a deep system and lot's of help in the AHL) or via cheaper UFA signings. The Purcell/Gagner swap was mainly because Gagner's buyout would be less expensive than Purcell's.

As for cap space, while it is true the Flyers can add pieces without shedding salary, it leaves them in another bind. If they signed Emery today for $1.2mm, they would be about $1.436mm over the $69mm upper limit.

Then they have two choices. First, add more money to the books and push the team's payroll up to $4.91mm to maximize the benefits of Pronger's LTIR, after which they'd have to juggle pieces after the season starts to be able to cover for in season moves and injuries

The second option is to get under the $69mm upper limit by the start of the season to maximize the LTIR benefits, which means shedding more contracts, likely either forcing them to take a bad deal back or eat money or expend draft picks to spend their way out of their mistakes.

I thought we were talking about off-season moves. The TDL always has teams moving picks with players.
- jmatchett383

Love how you are trying to justify it... It was purely a cap move. Fans for fuming when it was made, but as was stated... we needed to be able to bring G back up..

Outside of Purcell/Gagner, the players they traded were 3rd & 4th liners, who can likely be replaced with rookies(they have a deep system and lot's of help in the AHL) or via cheaper UFA signings. The Purcell/Gagner swap was mainly because Gagner's buyout would be less expensive than Purcell's.

As for cap space, while it is true the Flyers can add pieces without shedding salary, it leaves them in another bind. If they signed Emery today for $1.2mm, they would be about $1.436mm over the $69mm upper limit.

Then they have two choices. First, add more money to the books and push the team's payroll up to $4.91mm to maximize the benefits of Pronger's LTIR, after which they'd have to juggle pieces after the season starts to be able to cover for in season moves and injuries

The second option is to get under the $69mm upper limit by the start of the season to maximize the LTIR benefits, which means shedding more contracts, likely either forcing them to take a bad deal back or eat money or expend draft picks to spend their way out of their choices.
- Jsaquella

FTFY

Yeah, except it seems with this GM, a move is more likely to be made to open up future cap-space, than an immediate cap-dump to facilitate more short-sighted spending.
- Tomahawk

We shall see

Outside of Purcell/Gagner, the players they traded were 3rd & 4th liners, who can likely be replaced with rookies(they have a deep system and lot's of help in the AHL) or via cheaper UFA signings. The Purcell/Gagner swap was mainly because Gagner's buyout would be less expensive than Purcell's.

As for cap space, while it is true the Flyers can add pieces without shedding salary, it leaves them in another bind. If they signed Emery today for $1.2mm, they would be about $1.436mm over the $69mm upper limit.

Then they have two choices. First, add more money to the books and push the team's payroll up to $4.91mm to maximize the benefits of Pronger's LTIR, after which they'd have to juggle pieces after the season starts to be able to cover for in season moves and injuries

The second option is to get under the $69mm upper limit by the start of the season to maximize the LTIR benefits, which means shedding more contracts, likely either forcing them to take a bad deal back or eat money or expend draft picks to spend their way out of their mistakes.
- Jsaquella

i still remember when gagner was supposed to yield jordan staal

Love how you are trying to justify it... It was purely a cap move. Fans for fuming when it was made, but as was stated... we needed to be able to bring G back up..
- jak521

Carcillo was coming off a rookie season where he had 13/11/24/324. That season, he had 3/7/10/124.

Upshall that year had 7/14/21/63.

But yeah, that was a total cap dump. No way the thought that a guy on his ELC who put up 13 goals in his rookie year on a bad team may turn out the be better than a guy who put up 7 on a good team.

i still remember when gagner was supposed to yield jordan staal
- stayinthefnnet

Honestly, I'm a bit surprised Chicago didn't jump in to grab him... reunite him and Patrick Kane... bedazzle the entire Western Conference w/ toe drags.

Honestly, I'm a bit surprised Chicago didn't jump in to grab him... reunite him and Patrick Kane... bedazzle the entire Western Conference w/ toe drags.
- Tomahawk

I actually wanted the Flyers to draft him over JvR. He or Turris.

Carcillo was coming off a rookie season where he had 13/11/24/324. That season, he had 3/7/10/124.

Upshall that year had 7/14/21/63.

But yeah, that was a total cap dump. No way the thought that a guy on his ELC who put up 13 goals in his rookie year on a bad team may turn out the be better than a guy who put up 7 on a good team.
- jmatchett383

Seriously… I'd be willing to bed Holmgren had a hard on for Carcillo and was excited to get him in the deal, again, for better or worse.

I never fault this team for trying to win. It is one of the reasons I love the Flyers because it is never dull. But, sacrificing draft picks for win-now type players hasn't worked. It's time for Hexy to put his print on this team with young players and draft picks which hopefully leads to cap flexibility in a few seaons. We have a coach with a good system, we have good young forwards on the big club, and a stock of young defensemen. We finally have a goalie that can steal a game and a franchise centre. We may need to have some patience this season ... something a lot of us are not used to.

Happy Canada Day and Free Agent Frenzy tomorrow.

i still remember when gagner was supposed to yield jordan staal
- stayinthefnnet

He was a top six pick....unfortunately for him and the Oilers, he's never really done enough to justify that kind of return. Carer high of 18 goals and 49 points. He's a mediocre to poor defensive player.

Then they have two choices. First, add more money to the books and push the team's payroll up to $4.91mm to maximize the benefits of Pronger's LTIR, after which they'd have to juggle pieces after the season starts to be able to cover for in season moves and injuries.
- Jsaquella

It would be really cool if we could get a perspective on that option from a Detroit or Pittsburgh guy since those two teams took that difficult road this past season.

Seriously… I'd be willing to bed Holmgren had a hard on for Carcillo and was excited to get him in the deal, again, for better or worse.
- eayost

I really think he did. I would have preferred a one-for-one trade, but it wasn't like he traded for a guy who was going to be demoted or a healthy scratch.

I never fault this team for trying to win. It is one of the reasons I love the Flyers because it is never dull. But, sacrificing draft picks for win-now type players hasn't worked. It's time for Hexy to put his print on this team with young players and draft picks which hopefully leads to cap flexibility in a few seaons. We have a coach with a good system, we have good young forwards on the big club, and a stock of young defensemen. We finally have a goalie that can steal a game and a franchise centre. We may need to have some patience this season ... something a lot of us are not used to.

Happy Canada Day and Free Agent Frenzy tomorrow.
- PhiFaninEdm

Based on the players they drafted they've started the draft and develop mindset, can they keep doing that in the future we must wait and find out.

Outside of Purcell/Gagner, the players they traded were 3rd & 4th liners, who can likely be replaced with rookies(they have a deep system and lot's of help in the AHL) or via cheaper UFA signings. The Purcell/Gagner swap was mainly because Gagner's buyout would be less expensive than Purcell's.

As for cap space, while it is true the Flyers can add pieces without shedding salary, it leaves them in another bind. If they signed Emery today for $1.2mm, they would be about $1.436mm over the $69mm upper limit.

Then they have two choices. First, add more money to the books and push the team's payroll up to $4.91mm to maximize the benefits of Pronger's LTIR, after which they'd have to juggle pieces after the season starts to be able to cover for in season moves and injuries

The second option is to get under the $69mm upper limit by the start of the season to maximize the LTIR benefits, which means shedding more contracts, likely either forcing them to take a bad deal back or eat money or expend draft picks to spend their way out of their mistakes.
- Jsaquella

That appears to be what Hextall wants to do.....I wonder what the deal to Florida over the weekend consisted of and if it would have solved some of the cap crunch....Obviously the assets heading south would have had some current players and salary moving for the pick.

Honestly, I'm a bit surprised Chicago didn't jump in to grab him... reunite him and Patrick Kane... bedazzle the entire Western Conference w/ toe drags.
- Tomahawk

that most certainly was a weird deal.

so it was gagner to TB for purcell.

then TB essentially just dumping gagner?

i can see the yotes point of view. why not? what else they have going?

TB just essentially rid itself of purcells salary? and edmonton got grittier?

He was a top six pick....unfortunately for him and the Oilers, he's never really done enough to justify that kind of return. Carer high of 18 goals and 49 points. He's a mediocre to poor defensive player.
- Jsaquella

Sounds like a bad version of Ales Hemsky.

Yuck!

Already saw that. They're looking to move a player that they might not think fits going forward in order to do something else. That's a choice that they've made.
- MJL

If management is about making choices, wouldn't mismanagement simply be about making bad choices?